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Is Nick Diaz As Good As We Think He Is?

Is Nick Diaz really a top welterweight or is Strikeforce pulling the wool over our eyes, Image via mmajunkie.com

Love him or hate him, Strikeforce welterweight champion Nick Diaz is one of the most enthralling personalities in mixed martial arts today.  From his swear-heavy, nonsensical rants to his tough guy bravado he is one of Strikeforce's central figures and Saturday night he gets the opportunity to once again shine on their stage.  However, the question at hand is this.  Truthfully how good is Nick Diaz?  Following a 6-4 career in the UFC and a spectacular victory over then top lightweight Takanori Gomi at PRIDE 33, Diaz has racked up an impressive 9-1 record and those 10 fights have been contested in the made-up EliteXC lightweight division (160lbs.), welterweight division, and middleweight division.  This is where things get a little cloudy however.  Take a look at some of the names in his resume during this run, Mike Aina, Muhsin Corbbrey, Katsuya Inoue and Thomas Denny.  Not exactly the most impressive lineup, not to mention during that time he was beaten handily by KJ Noons.  The other names that fill up his post-UFC/PRIDE win column are Frank Shamrock, Scott Smith, Marius Zaromskis, Hayato Sakurai, and a second meeting with the aforementioned Noons. 

Nick had little to no problems dealing with the legendary Frank Shamrock, however, is it safe to say Frank was well past his prime and was coming off a broken arm at the hands of Cung Le.  Shamrock would retire not long after this fight.  Scott Smith, while always good for a spirited effort, is exactly the type of opponent that Diaz feeds off of.  Meanwhile, Zaromskis has not quite looked like the beast he did tearing through the competition in the Dream welterweight tournament and Hayato Sakurai has seen much better days.  That brings me to his second KJ Noons fight this past October.  In it, Diaz looked the best he has maybe ever.  His voluminous boxing, that looks like he's playing patty cake with your face, was in full display and was even disruptive for an excellent boxer like Noons.  However, the question still remains.  Is Nick Diaz as good as his charisma or lack thereof leads us to think? 

In my opinion, thinking about the best of the best at 170 in the UFC, it is hard for me to think that Nick Diaz wouldn't be eaten alive in the Octagon.  Fighters like Jake Shields (though that fight would never happen), Jon Fitch, Diego Sanchez (whom Diaz already met once), and Josh Koscheck are just a few fighters with the perfect style to frustrate and control Diaz.  Of course, I did not even mention the current welterweight kingpin Georges St. Pierre, who would be an absolute  nightmare for Diaz in almost all areas of the fight.  While some will bring up Diaz's jiu jitsu game which is world renown, Diaz relies much more on his hands than his grappling these days.  It is almost as if Diaz only uses his deadly BJJ when there is no other way out. Him and his brother, Nate Diaz, are almost mirror images in a cage though Nick is probably the better striker of the two and we have seen Diaz have a lot of trouble with good grapplers and wrestlers.  Is it that Strikeforce is feeding Diaz strikers, which he can use his durability to eventually overwhelm, to up his stock in the fast rising popularity of MMA or is 170 outside of the UFC devoid of good/great grapplers?

Diaz is set to meet number one contender Evangelista 'Cyborg' Santos on Saturday night at the HP Pavilion in San Jose, California.  He is also currently the seventh ranked welterweight in the world according to the USA TODAY/SB Nation Consensus MMA Rankings while Santos is not ranked within the top 25.  Has Diaz gotten by on his image more so than his abilities thus far in Strikeforce or is F-Bomb Dropper from Stockton, CA really a world class fighter?   Chime in MMA4Realers

SBN coverage of Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Cyborg

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Is Nick Diaz a Top 10 welterweight fighter?
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by Reality_Jockey on Jan 28, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

I've always said...

Diaz is just a big fish in a small pond. Do I think he’s top 10 world wide? Yes, top 5… no. Hard to over look those 3 straight losses in the UFC to guys who are barely if not even top 10 now and Diaz not fighting a top 10 WW since then hardly shows he’s one of the best. Gomi was a top 10 LW, not WW. It’s different then say… Anderson Silva who lost early in his career but since then has moved up 1 and even 2 weight divisions and has destroy far more credible fighters showing how much he really has improved. To hold those loses against him still would be like some moron saying Mike Tyson wasn’t the real HW boxing champ cause he didn’t avenge his loss to the kid who beat him up in 3rd grade. lol With Diaz not fighting top guys it’s hard to tell how much he’s really improved since those loses to Sherk, Sanchez and Riggs.

So Coker thinks that because they're making his HWs fight 3 times this year and making the best in SF fight the best means the winner of it all will be the top HW in the world? lol Welcome to the UFC where everybody who isn't injured fights the best 3 times a year. Fedor hadn't proven he was the best in years but kept the #1 spot for the longevity of his Pride days until the big 4 in the UFCs HW division fought each other so as it stands right now Cain is the top HW in the world no matter what the outcome of this tourney is. If JDS beats Cain then he's #1 cause he already destroyed Werdum who embarrassed Fedor. It's not like Fedor has beaten anybody ranked above JDS in years so the rankings are finally justified.

by Oswald on Jan 28, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Diaz is a world-class fighter.

NOTES:

  1. His fight against Mike Aina was very close.
  2. In the first fight, Noons was kicking his ass and on his way to a decision victory BUT the ring side physician stopped the fight.
  3. Of all the aforementioned grapplers, I think Diaz would defeat Koscheck – just my opinion.
  4. Yeah, I’m a fan but I really doubt Strikeforce is interested in matching up Diaz against some one who will try to take him down often. Scott Coker is interested in putting on shows. We already saw how fans received match-ups like Jason Miller vs Jake Shields.

Personally I think even when both Diaz brothers lose, they win. They fight to win and try to put on a show. We already know their disdain for scoring points for the judges and stalling. I think Nate Diaz finally realizes yellow-cards will not be instituted in America.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 28, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Depends where you rank him personally speaking it’s a joke that he’s even considered a top 10 WW when he’s never beaten one in his career as a WW. He would get exposed in the UFC by even middle of the pack wrestlers because he hasn’t evolved he’s still the same limited fighter he’s been his whole career.

by Raker on Jan 28, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

He is probably top 10 but...

It would be close. Besides the aforementioned guys, you could add people like Jonny Hendricks, Rick Story, maybe even a guy like Tyronne Woodley (if not today in a year or so as he gets less green).

It’s the same old story with the Diaz bro’s. You just knew that Nate would pull that “Kim just layed on me card” after he was soundly beaten by Kim. These guys have never lost a fight, just ask them.

Nick’s a good fighter and has improved over the years but still, against GSP, Fitch, Kos, Hendricks, Story, Ben Askren maybe even John Hathaway (despite his last fight), for sure Nick would lose most of those fights just because he can be controled by stronger grappling types.

by Nepal on Jan 28, 2011 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Nick’s foray into the UFC went like this:
 Loss Sean Sherk
 Loss Joe Riggs
 Loss Diego Sanchez
 Win Koji Oishi
 Win Drew Fickett
 Loss Karo Parisyan
 Win Robbie Lawler
 Win Jeremy Jackson

like the article suggests…Nick beat guys whom he had in the stand-up in department. minus fickett, drew lost to any of the guys with good takedowns/strong ground game.
he’s top 10 in my book, but the ufc’s heavy brand of wrestling styles…..would be a nightmare for him.

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Jan 29, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

That was also over 5 years ago....when he was in his early 20's.

Nick is a completely different animal now.

Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.

by RolloTomasi on Jan 31, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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