UFC 117 Aftermath: Should Chael Sonnen Get an Immediate Rematch with Anderson Silva?
"Rematch" is the buzzword around last night's epic middleweight title bout between Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen. Itwas a thriling affair that saw Silva incapable of repelling Sonnen's shot--though they were barely set up and entirely predictable in each round--as well as receiving damage the likes of which we've never seen on the pound-for-pound king. And then, after four-and-a-half rounds of total domination, Sonnen got wrapped up in the Noguiera disciple's triangle and tapped.
But does Sonnen truly deserve a rematch? He definitively lost. It was not a close decision. There was no fluke stoppage; he clearly tapped. Yet, many seem to think that the four rounds prior to the submission weigh more heavily than the other factors that are usually considered when booking an immediate rematch.
Silva's mentor, Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera, effectively trademarked the hail-mary submission. Noguiera was on the receiving end of a pair of legendary thrashings (against Bob Sapp in 2002 and Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic the following year) until he he found armbars in both instances. Neither man was granted a rematch against Minotauro. On the flipside, just this year we saw Scott Smith paired with Cung Le in a rematch of 2009's greatest comeback victory. In their first match, Le carved up Smith with a barrage of kicks throughout the fight until being knocked out in the waning moments of round three. There are so many opposing instances of rematches being made or not being made following "hail-mary victories" that it's difficult to cite precedence in making one's argument.
As I've mentioned, there are certain instances that demand an instant rematch. Just within the last year we find narrow, toss-up decisions being re-booked (Shogun-Machida, Penn-Edgar) as well as fluke stoppages (Bonnar-Soszynski by cut due to illegal headbutt, Danzig-Wiman by stoppage when Danzig was neither unconcious nor had tapped). But this time there is an undisputed victor: Anderson Silva.
There will be a lot of factors that go into the decision of whether or not to make Silva-Sonnen II both men's next fight. First and foremost in the minds of UFC brass is the business aspect; clamoring by fans and potential blockbuster receipts could make it impossible not to book. But there's also the aspect of Vitor Belfort waiting in the wings. White has wanted Belfort to challenge for the title for almost a year now, and has made one of his infamous "promises" that Belfort will receive the next shot. That "promise", however, was at a time when Silva seemed nigh invincible and the middleweight division was starved of compelling matchups.
In a sporting sense (which I think should be the most important factor) I believe Sonnen should move to the back of the line. He had his shot, gave it everything he had, and lost. Fortunately for Sonnen, it's a very short line in the middleweight division and he could find himself back in a title match within the span of one or two fights. As for Silva, he took more than a shot across the bow and responded with the resilience of a champion. It's time for his next challenge, and I can't wait to see how he responds going forward.
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Either one of those options is fine. In order of desirability:
- GSP superfight
- Sonnen rematch
- Belfort (should really knock off someone half-decent at MW first)
"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"
Then again, GSP is busy for a quite a while…
So really, Sonnen rematch – it’s well-deserved, it works out schedule-wise, it’s marketable.
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by 3PA on Aug 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It’ll be interesting to see the severity (and legitimacy) of Silva’s injured ribs. Vitor has been targeting a fight in November. If he does fight in November, I don’t know if it’ll be for the title.
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There was no contreversial decision.......
Chael was finished. Why should he get an immediate rematch? As far as Vitor, I still don’t see why he’s anywhere near a title shot. He should have to fight Okami.
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by The Demolition Man on Aug 8, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
Why should he get an immediate rematch?
Because he dominated the P4P king for 22:30 of a 25:00 fight and made what was thought to be a demi-god look very vulnerable and very human… who deserves a title shot ahead of him. No one.
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 8, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more with this post, fighting Belfort shouldn’t happen cause Belfort should have to fight a top contender and win in order to be considered for a title shot, however, Chael Sonnen dominated for 22:30 of the title fight and barley lost so an immediate rematch should be arranged as Silva was dominated for 22:30. It’s no wonder Soares is questioning Sonnen getting a rematch as his #1 fighter got owned for 99% of the fight and would probably lose if and when he faces Sonnen again.
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Damn, "controversial"
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by The Demolition Man on Aug 8, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
You don’t get an immediate rematch because you dominated someone and then got finished. Never happened in the history of Combat sports. Why make an exception for Chael? He was finished. There was no stoppage from a cut, no split decision, he tapped.
The harder you work, the luckier you get.........
by The Demolition Man on Aug 8, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
So Tim Sylvia should have gotten an immediate rematch against Nog? Carwin should have have gotten an immediate rematch against Lesnar? Chael should work his way back up like any other contender would have to do. He had his chance, and he made the most of it. If he gets another one down the line, so be it.
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by The Demolition Man on Aug 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
Chael = #2 MW in the world
Soooo… Work his way back up where? lol
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by 3PA on Aug 8, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean work his way back up to being the #1 contender. Ranking and pecking order are two different things. Is Koscheck the #2 Welterweight? Are you implying the #1 and #2 fighters in a division should keep fighting each other? The #1 guy just proved he’s still #1 by beating the # 2. The # 2 has to justify his status by fighting and beating other contenders.
Why does everyone have to write these acid laced replies when someone doen’t agree with them?
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by The Demolition Man on Aug 8, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok then. He already beat them (the other contenders yaknow).
A rematch with Maia could possibly work for Sonnen – who takes on Silva next then hm? Belfort on the strength of a win over Franklin at 195 almost a year ago?
Yeah, then I rate Sonnen’s 22 minute mauling of Silva as the strongest claim anyone in the MW division has to a titleshot right now.
"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"
Belfort has never fought at MW.
Okami was never as competitive as Chael against Silva.
Who are you proposing giving a title shot to so? Considering Sonnen is the money fight after backing up everything he said with said actions (lest actually winning)
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Winning is the only thing that matters......
-Give Belcher a shot
-another 205 fight
-If Palhares wins he could get a shot
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by The Demolition Man on Aug 8, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
but with losses to Okami, Day, Grove and Sexyama i wouldn’t touch him….
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 8, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I’d like to see Silva vs. Belfort and let Sonnen fight Okami for the next shot. I know that Chael was winning handily by points but he got caught cleanly and lost. One more fight before another shot is not unreasonalbe, in my opinion. I know that Vitor Belfort has only won a couple of fights at 185 pounds but the guy was a former world champion (however briefly) at 205, plus it’s a fight that I think a lot of fans want to see. Anyway, that’s my preference. I’m fine either way, though.
a former world champion (however briefly) at 205
Yeah that kinda doesn’t count. Like at all.
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by 3PA on Aug 8, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are all of the 185’ers on Zuffa’s roster that are more fitting of a world title shot right now in your opinion? My bad earlier, too. I meant Vitor is 3-0 at 185 pounds (forgot his whitewashing of Rich Franklin). I don’t think he’ll beat Anderson Silva but there’s probably not a middleweight on the roster I’d rather see Anderson fight next.
My bad, Rich’s win was at 195 pounds. Ah, well. A good case could be made for a few fighters, I suppose. I’ll say this about last night’s main event: I gained a lot of respect for Sonnen and a lot of respect for Silva’s ability to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat (something he’s rarely needed to do).
Chael already handled Okami.
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 8, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
On the flipside, just this year we saw Scott Smith paired with Cung Le in a rematch of 2009’s greatest comeback victory.
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 9, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This was awesome.
Chael had an answer for everything. Too bad the guy got tired at the end of the fight.
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I dont think any Silva fans in any way would
Want to see him fight Chael again. He got his ass whooped. I say give Belfort a shot (and Silva fans, pray the “A” game Belfort doesnt show up) let Chael fight Belcher, put Okami on deck. Have Anderson fight Belfort, then Okami, then the winner of Chael-Belcher.
At least Chael gave folks a blueprint to making Anderson work (which to be honest Chonan did years ago, Chael was the first guy to press him in a non-goofball manner and use it).
I think Sonnen should have to win one before getting a rematch….
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His domination of Silva for 4 and a half rounds means alot more than him winning another fight, the fact is all of the examples used above don’t hold up to what Sonnen did which is u nprecedented in the UFC.
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by Nightwhistler on Aug 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets see Belfort make weight at MW, then fight a top contender, then maybe give him a shot at Silva, and only if Belfort can make weight, win, and Silva can beat Chael in a rematch. A rematch between Silva & Sonnen makes the best sense at this point as Belfort doesn’t deserve a title shot in the MW division.
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To play devil’s advocate, Belfort did light up Rich Franklin and dispatch him quicker than just about anyone ever has ( though I understand that the bout was at 195 as opposed to 185). With Rich being the world middleweight champion not that long ago, I just don’t see it as a hard sale to let Belfort have his shot. I’m with everyone that Sonnen did an outstanding job before getting tapped out. I’ll even admit that the guy deserves another shot at the title. All I’m saying is that I, personally, would rather see it in the Spring after Silva-Belfort.
Belfort has made 185 a couple of times in recent years
though not in the UFC
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Belfort has zero problems making 185
He fought Rich at 195, because Rich does have trouble making 185 (Rich is 215-220 ripped) not due to Vitor having problems.
Since Silva is going to be out until next spring, do Sonnen vs Belfort for the #1 contender spot.
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good call Brian
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 10, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor shouldn't get an instant rematch and neither should Sonnen
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 10, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
was up in Croke Park on sunday for the All-Ireland Semi between Kilkenny and Cork, dude the atmosphere was freaking amazing haha and we had a fight within 1min of t hrow-in :)
anyhow, we ran absolute train on the fools, 3-22 to 0-19….on course for the unprecedented 5 in a row and the newspapers are hailing them as the greatest team to ever step on a hurling pitch! roll on the first sunday in september, super stoked for it now :) :) :)
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 10, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats man, good to hear.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 10, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's a travesty if Chael has to fight someone else before getting his rematch,
but it also wouldn’t be a bad move by any stretch of the imagination if it were to happen.
Call me crazy (and some of you will) but I see Chael KOing Anderson in R1 next time they fight. I seriously doubt that he thought he would have an advantage in the striking department, which it really looked like he did.
I don’t see anything Anderson can improve in the interim that makes me think the fight would go differently. Even if his ribs were messing with him, that would mostly just sap your gas tank (which obviously wasn’t a problem for him in this fight). It could also possibly decrease his power enough to make a bit of a difference. Possibly.
Chael would have a mountain of confidence going into the next fight, and he’d also have a sense of urgency knowing he couldn’t just outlast Silva.
Man, what an epic fight. I still get that adrenaline rush just thinking about it. Thanks, Chael.
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