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UFC 118 Post-Fight Thoughts: Edgar, Maynard on championship collision course

BOSTON - AUGUST 28:  Frank Edgar celebrates with the belt after defeating BJ Penn in a five round decision during their UFC lightweight title bout at the TD Garden on Aug. 28 in Boston.  (Photo by Josh Hedges/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images)

Some thoughts following a good night of fights at UFC 118 in Boston...

How can you not help but be impressed by Frankie Edgar? For the second straight fight, he showed no fear whatsoever of BJ Penn, the man who laid an epic beating on his last opponent prior to Edgar. Although many pundits had differing views on the first fight between the two, there was no arguing about this one.

50-45 for your win and STILL UFC lightweight champion: Frankie Edgar.

I picked Edgar to win this fight by decision because I thought the fight he fought last time against Penn would hold up again in a close fight. I don't think anybody saw Edgar coming in and completely dominating Penn the way he did. He took Penn down more and landed clean shot after clean shot in the later rounds and really put the stamp on Penn in the fifth and final round.

Many pointed to things like the Fight Metric report of the first fight between these two. Well, the Compustrike numbers for this fight really tell the story.

Edgar landed 155-of-283 strikes (55 percent) while Penn connected on only 53-of-154 (34 percent). That's right, Edgar landed more strikes than Penn attempted. Edgar helped his total percentage by connecting on 91 percent of his ground strikes (60-of-66) and 78 percent of his leg strikes (29-of-37).

Penn showed no urgency in this fight, and that's very alarming. The desire of Edgar is what really took him over the top. It's clear being a UFC champion is of the utmost importance to Edgar. Edgar has the heart of a champion. After Saturday's performance (and many others), it's clear now more than ever Penn doesn't.

Someone that is going to have that hunger will likely be Edgar's next opponent: Gray Maynard.

With his unanimous decision win against Kenny Florian, Maynard has likely earned his shot at Edgar's championship.

I think it's time for people to start giving Maynard credit where credit is due. Maynard dominated a two-time title contender in Florian like few others have. In fact, this is Florian's first loss in a non-title fight since his UFC debut at "The Ultimate Fighter 1 Finale" back in April 2005 — and that was at 185 pounds. It says something about Maynard that he was able to do to Florian what fighters like Roger Huerta, Joe Stevenson and Takanori Gomi weren't and that's beat him.

Going back to the Compustrike numbers, Florian simply couldn't find Maynard enough to hit him on the feet, connecting on only 15 percent (7-of-47) of his arm strikes. Maynard landed 18 power strikes to Florian one and hit 5-of-6 takedown attempts. Maynard landed 71 percent of his strikes (60-of-85).

With this fight and another dominating performance in a fight many predicted him to lose, Maynard should earn people's respect.

This was a simply dominating performance by Maynard and one that firmly cements him as the lightweight division's number one contender. And I have to say I'm much more interested in seeing an Edgar-Maynard rematch coming out of UFC 118 than I was going in. Both fighters were extremely impressive and their title fight should make for one heck of a technical battle.

Compustrike also tells us that Maynard has hit on 26-of-29 takedowns in his last seven fights. He's going to need that to continue against Edgar.

Star-divide

So much for James Toney training and being in shape.

Toney was felled by a laugh-inducing low-level single-leg takedown in the first 15 seconds. From there, UFC Hall of Famer Randy Couture worked over the IBA heavyweight champion before securing a fight-ending arm-triangle choke at 3:19 of the opening frame. The only thing that prevented Couture from finishing the fight earlier was their positioning against the cage, which didn't allow Couture the necessary space to turn the corner on the choke.

All-in-all, this fight proved nothing. It went pretty much how many people expected it to and had almost zero drama considering the true lack of effort Couture had to use to take Toney, who resembled a falling tree, to the mat.

Despite Toney's poor performance, I'm still interested in seeing boxers come to MMA. We saw what happened when the sides were reversed in the Tim Sylvia-Ray Mercer fight of 2008 — an out of shape Sylvia got sent for an unexpected nap in that one — but the interest and the curiosity will be off the charts should a high-level boxer and a high-level mixed martial artist ever meet. Unfortunately, I don't foresee that happening anytime soon because high-level boxers still are still making much more money than their high-level MMA counterparts, so unless there was some type of big co-promotion involved where the boxing promoter would be putting up their usual share of the money, it's tough to imagine that happening. And it certainly would not happen in the UFC.

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Simply put, Edgar is a better, stronger, faster fighter. BJ Penn could not keep up with the pace that Edgar set. He attempted some takedowns when he was desperate and squandered 3 rounds.
BJ Penn suffered something many fighters suffer, like Rampage, when they believe their own hype and believe they will eventually get the knock-down. Penn showed urgency but only in the 4th round when it was too late. He realized that it was not enough to handle Edgar.

Joe Lauzon was SUPER-exciting!!! It was a one-sided ass-whooping but it was phenomenal!.

Pitter-Patter, pitter-patter . . . Diaz! Well we know that he can not handle strong wrestlers. Hopefully he’s working on that hole.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 29, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I had this feeling Edgar was going to put a stamp on this situation… his mentality and approach is unfuckwitable.

I thought Florian had this one… but it’s not a major surprise, Maynard will always be trick to deal with because of his phenomenal wrestling.

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by 3PA on Aug 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

With this fight and another dominating performance in a fight many predicted him to lose, Maynard should earn people’s respect.

I said it on the show, and I’ll say it here: Maynard hs my respect, but there’s a big difference between me respecting someone and wanting to see them fight. I don’t want to say Maynard fight. He has skill, but no skillz, he is not exciting in the least, and his track record is proof enough he’s probably never going to become anything more than what he is today. Edgar, I think, is very much the same kind of fighter, although I think he’s a better all around fighter with the exception of his grappling.

So with that said, who really wants to see Maynard vs Edgar? Edgar proved himself without a doubt, and Maynard has been denied enough that they can’t even Fitch him on a title shot anymore, but that show will be zero buys unless there’s a hella strong headliner.

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by -Neil- on Aug 29, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree that the show would do low buys. Personally, I’d still like to see that fight.

by Rich Wyatt on Aug 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they’ll have to media train both those guys a little… Maynard has all the charisma of a concrete floor littered with gum. Or rather he gets so nervous he chokes up during any public relations – his interviews are painful to sit through.

They should air any remotely exciting material with both these guys free religiously from now on.

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by 3PA on Aug 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edgar

don’t have much for Maynard…he won’t be able to stop that takedown…just like last time.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 29, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has gone 5 rounds though. Late stoppage Edgar wouldn’t surprise me in the least, though I do think Maynard will win the early rounds.

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by 3PA on Aug 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

Maynard’s conditioning will not be a factor though…he can go 25 mins no problem IMO.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 29, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would equate to the most unmarketable champion in UFC history then lol

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by 3PA on Aug 29, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that the biggest difference between Edgar and Maynard, is that Frankie has gone the extra mile to actually acquire “skillz.” This point is perfectly illustrated by the training camps. Gray’s gone the typical wrestler route with Xtreme Couture, where he’s learned the necessary skills to have serviceable stand-up but never going to be great. The end product is minimal footwork and a big right hand that stays cocked the entire fight, exactly like Josh Koscheck and Dan Henderson.

Frankie Edgar, on the other hand, trains with some of the top coaches in various disciplines. For example, he trains his BJJ with Ricardo Almeida and Renzo Gracie. This has allowed him to add submissions to his arsenal. Frankie also trains with Phil Nurse for striking (in addition to his boxing coach). The result is the great footwork that we saw last night.

by Lucas2 on Aug 29, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Although I think the comparison to Kos/Hendo aren’t quite there, due to the fact that they’ve got a loaded gun cocked, while he’s got a whole lot’o’nothing.

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by -Neil- on Aug 29, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Few want to see Edgar vs Maynard. You better boost that up with a card like UFC 92(Nog vs Mir, Jackson vs Silva, and Forrest vs Evans were your poster boys for that one.)

by jaws4life19 on Aug 29, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Myanard won maybe 4-5 mins of a 15 min fight. he got that 1 takedown in the first, did do well on top for a good bit of the 2nd round, then danced, got a takedown in the 3rd round. i dunno how winning 1/3 of the time on the clock is dominating the other guy.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

He put Edgar where he wanted anytime he wanted...

that’s dominating.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 30, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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