Texas commission: Oxygen cans, referees in the clear at "Strikeforce: Houston"
by Matt Bishop on Aug 23, 2010 2:53 PM EDT
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PrintSteven Marrocco of MMAJunkie.com gets answers to the questions everybody had in regards to the officiating at Saturday's "Strikeforce: Houston" along with whether "King Mo" Lawal and KJ Noons were allowed to use portable oxygen cans:
Regarding the oxygen:
And while many have suggested Lawal and Noons could have gained an unfair advantage with the breathing aid, (Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation Public Information Officer Susan) Stanford said oxygen is not prohibited by the commission (Combative Sports Program statutes do not specifically address the use of oxygen; Stanford said banned substances include Monsel's solution, silver nitrate, ammonium capsules and smelling salts).
"It's my understanding that the physician did consult with the ringside physician, and it was approved by the physician," Stanford said. "It was within (the rules)."
Here's what Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker told Luke Thomas on last night's edition of MMA Nation:
"You know, I'll tell you, the cans, the oxygen cans were brought to our attention actually this morning by one of our guys and I didn't see any anything, but I heard that they [Noons and Lawal] were taking some oxygen. Like you say, canned oxygen. So, we're going to look into it, but right now I just don't have enough information so I don't want to comment until I find out what it was. And from what I hear everything that they did was approved by the commission, so we'll talk to them and have a conversation with them."
As for the officiating, here's the official word, first on the fight between Noons and Jorge Gurgel:
"[TDLR] representative Greg Alvarez said the strike was already started when the (final) bell rang," Stanford said. "That's the position of TDLR. No action will be taken against the referee."
Now for the standup from the mount by referee John Schorle in the Bobby Lashley/Chad Griggs fight:
While Lashley was cut near the end of the first round, Stanford contends that Shorley saw the cut when he stood the fighters up due to what he felt was a lack of action.
"The referee felt there was a lull in action, and he had gotten them to their feet when he saw the cut," Stanford said. "[The referee] had the doctor look at it, and then started the action again on their feet."
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The lesson here is PUMP THE BRAKES
Before you start accusing people of cheating. Would anybody really be that dumb, if it was cheating, to do it out in the open like that?
lol
GSP’s corner did openly rub Vaseline all over him in front of officials….granted it was wiped off….but still.
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by RearNakedPoke on Aug 23, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
VASELINE???
But Ed Soares said he was just redistributing the sexyness around his body!
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My issue with Schorle
He DIDN’T RESTART THEM IN THE SAME POSITION. No problem with the break, but it’s his doofus restart that flubbed things. I mean, Lashley still might have retired, but you can’t just take away his dominant position like that.
"I talked about retirement a little bit, but told them I'd be the same ol' grumpy, pissed off guy." --Bobby Cox
No, Schorle stood them up because of inactivity. Then he finally noticed the cut for the first time and had it checked.
Inactivity from mount?
If it was for the cut, which I believe it was, that’s an understandable break. But if you stand them up from mount like you would for a LnP in a closed guard, that’s even worse than the incorrect restart.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 23, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
From the Junkie report:
While Lashley was cut near the end of the first round, Stanford contends that Shorley saw the cut when he stood the fighters up due to what he felt was a lack of action.
“The referee felt there was a lull in action, and he had gotten them to their feet when he saw the cut,” Stanford said. “[The referee] had the doctor look at it, and then started the action again on their feet.”
Ehh, that sounds like he's covering his tracks
If it was for “lack of action”, that doesn’t matter. You just can’t take away mount from someone.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it's within the referee's power
It becomes an issue of whether or not it’s bullshit for him to do so
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 23, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and that is a H U G E problem in alot of states that dont have veteran refs and judges
They dont know the difference between being under a guy with full guard on him, or being under a guy mounted. I had, and NC judge tell me after a training session, he never realized how much worse being mounted felt than having a guy in your guard. He never knew this because he had been a judge for almost 2 years without ever having a single session grappling or training any grappling.
I hazard that alot of states are like NC in this regard, and folks who are pals with state officials get ref/judge spots based on who they know and how long they were boxing officials and alot less based on actual working knowledge of the sports they are officiating (very few judges or refs in NC for example ever trained any boxing either when they only officiated that, so NC was fooked a long time ago…)
This, has to change. I know when Dana had the fight for the military, in fayetville, he was pretty disgusted with NC officials and told them he wouldnt use refs or judges who couldnt show they had trained to gain some working knowledge of grappling and MMA before his return. I noticed when he went to charlotte again, he had alot of the familair faces with him (herb dean, yamasaki, etc) and not too many of the NC officials.
Other states are probably at least as bad, and there is no excuse for it. States should go out of their way to find folks with a proper background, and stop using cronyism to put folks in jobs that collect a state check that have zero business being there.
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