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UFC on Versus 2 Preview: 4 Burning Questions

UFC on Versus 2 will be live at 9 p.m. ET Sunday from the San Diego Sports Arena in San Diego, Calif. MMAForReal.com's Matt Bishop and Forrest Lynn run down four of the show's burning questions

MMAForReal.com's Matt Bishop and Forrest Lynn sat down Friday evening and answered four burning questions for this Sunday's "UFC on Versus 2: Jones vs. Matyushenko," one for each main card fight. 

For more UFC on Versus 2 coverage, check out the MMA For Real's Event Center for the show. Don't forget that Lights Out Radio will be live at 8 p.m. ET/5 p.m. PT Sunday to preview the show's main card. Then you can join us for the open thread and discussion and then again for another edition of Lights Out Radio immediately following the show.

Now, without any further ado, here are the burning questions for UFC on Versus 2:

What would a Jon Jones loss mean?

Matt Bishop: To me, not a whole lot. Each Jon Jones fight has been tempered to a certain extent with talk of "he's so young and raw," and that's absolutely true, and that's why a loss to a veteran like Vladimir Matyushenko, while I don't expect it to happen, is not as out of the realm of possibilities as many seem to believe. At 23 years old, Jones still is a prospect despite his meteoric rise in this sport. Young fighters can make mistakes. A loss would be a setback, yes, but it would not be the end of the world. And a true loss might make Jones even better in the future.

Forrest Lynn: A Jon Jones loss would be unfortunate for him and certainly put the brakes on his rapid acceleration toward title contention in the immediate future, but he is 23 years old and still barely scratching the surface of his athletic potential. I'm sure a sky is falling on his career narrative would develop almost instantaneously, but losses happen and are really not the total career death knell they're regarded as being most of the time.

Do you think Yushin Okami has gotten a bad rap around the MMA world? If he finishes Mark Munoz, is his UFC career rejuvenated with two straight finishes?

Matt Bishop: Skill-wise, Okami has it. I don't think many would argue that. His bad rap comes from some boring decisions he's been apart of. Okami, though, and to his credit, showed some aggression we haven't seen from him when he pasted Lucio Linhares earlier this year. If he can sustain that in this fight with Mark Munoz, I think it would be safe to say we're seeing a new Yushin Okami, one who can be pushed as a contender to the middleweight championship. Okami is not your typical Japanese fighter. He's an American-style fighter in a Japanese man's body. It's not something we see too often. If Okami keeps evolving his game and shows that ruthless aggression, he is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

Forrest Lynn: Okami has certainly developed a bad rap around the MMA world, but that "bad rap" is basically people just thinking he's not entertaining. No one has ever questioned his ability, but he was certainly squandering some of his potential by staying in the same surroundings in Japan and training with the same fighters he had been working with for years when his talent had already clearly usurped theirs. He said himself that he found himself on the offensive most of the time in training, which does not set you up well for dealing with adversity in a live cage fight. Since then, he has taken his very American frame (6-plus feet tall, around the 220 pound range before dieting down and cutting weight) and began training at Yoshihiro Akiyama's Team Cloud (a sort of Japanese Xtreme Couture) and Team Quest in Oregon with Chael Sonnen. Okami immediately began to show improvement, operating with a killer quick jab and much more measured aggression. The UFC has always regarded Okami as a commodity because of his status as a dominant Asian fighter, and they responded as such with giving Okami a feature bout after an impressive stoppage against Lucio Linhares this spring. Another finish here against Munoz could land him in a title eliminator as soon as his next bout.

Star-divide

In terms of their placement and future in the division, who needs a win more, Jake Ellenberger or John Howard?

Matt Bishop: A 4-0 start in the company is nothing to sneeze at and, on paper, looks very good. But for John Howard, that number is a bit deceiving. Two of those wins were split decisions, but the other two were knockouts, so it's an interesting situation. But in terms of skill shown, Jake Ellenberger is the fighter to be taking the long look at in this fight and, at 1-1, is certainly the fighter who needs the win more here. Ellenberger arguably could be 2-0 and was taking it to Carlos Condit early in their fight. His power is scary. Howard, to me, even though he's 4-0, hasn't been all that impressive in doing it. If we're talking long-term futures here, Ellenberger is the fighter with the brighter future in the company, which also is why he needs the win more.

Forrest Lynn: I don't think John Howard is very long for the UFC, personally. He is 4-0 in the company, but that 4-0 is essentially smoke and mirrors. I feel as if his first two wins against Chris Wilson and Tamdan McCrory were questionable decisions at best, and he was getting positively dominated by Dennis Hallman before a goofy standup in the waning seconds allowed him to KO him with a nice punch. Ellenberger is clearly someone with a tremendous amount of talent with real credentials to back that hype up, being a collegiate standout at the University of Nebraska with some impressive scalps and performances already on his record (his brutal KO of vale tudo legend Pele that left him vomiting on the canvas is particularly nice). For this camp, he trained at Reign (Mark Munoz's gym), sparring with guys like King Mo, Fabricio Werdum, Renato Sobral and Munoz himself. Ellenberger usually comes out firing and has a rocket powered right hand, and I think he will land that on Howard and notch himself an impressive victory. If one judge sees one round of that Condit fight differently, Ellenberger would be in the position that Condit is in right now and heading upward. I think he launches upward here and Howard falls out of the UFC in relatively short order, provided he gets a higher level of opposition than what he has currently been facing.

Is Takanori Gomi done in the UFC is he loses to Tyson Griffin?

Matt Bishop: I think he's toast without a doubt. If Griffin beats him, I can't see it being competitive. I think the only way Gomi gets another shot with a loss is if he goes down in a blaze of glory. A true fire fight. A gutty, gritty effort where you can't possibly cut the guy. But with the way Gomi has looked recently, and specifically in the Kenny Florian fight, I just can't see this ending well for him, especially since this is a fight Griffin has wanted for years.

Forrest Lynn: If Gomi loses to Griffin, I do believe he is gone from the UFC and he should be. He is one of the many legends left behind in the transition to big time training and high stakes fighting every time out. No layups, nothing easy. Gomi can't handle it, and therefore should be gone.

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Is Takanori Gomi done in the UFC is he loses to Tyson Griffin?

I think a better question is “Why WOULD you keep Gomi in the UFC, after a loss to Griffin?” Yeah, he’s got some shine from his Pride days, but beyond that he’s a sub-par fighter in the modern day MMA landscape. Granted, he’s had two tough opponents in the UFC, but in his debut he looked rather awful, and I expect that in the Griffin bout he’s slated to look absolutely dreadful. There’s certainly room for competitive, high-level fighters in the UFC, but Gomi hasn’t looked like either, and in my opinion isn’t long for the UFC roster.

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by -Neil- on Jul 31, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would Gomi look “dreadful” agaisnt Griffin and his T-Rex arms? If Gomi was going to beat any top 10-15 opponent I think Griffin is one of the more beatable ones.

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by Erich Vowell on Jul 31, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, have you seen Gomi fight at all the last few years? From your comments, I don’t think you have. He’s not the killer on the feet he was in 2005. Dude went 25 minutes on the feet with Tony Hervey, who’s horrible. If you’re not putting that dude away, you’re not going to beat up Tyson Griffin.

Griffin can beat him up on the feet, he can take him down, he can do pretty much whatever he wants. Gomi is just a middle of the road lightweight at this point in his career. Frankly, I wouldn’t be all that suprised if Tyson just took him down, passed his guard, got his back and choked him in short order. Gomi’s ground defense is awful and Tyson’s offensive game on the ground is actually pretty decent. Against a guy like Gomi who just gives up postition, that could spell trouble.

More than likely, Griffin will just put a horrific pace on Gomi and just wear him down, one way or another, and win a very dominant decision. Gomi is going to look pretty bad in this fight. It’s probably the most cut and dried fight on the card, to be honest. I think Vladdy has a better shot of upsetting Jon Jones than Gomi has of beating Tyson Griffin at this point in his career.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 31, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

listen to Tyson talk about this fight it seems that he has the mind set he is going to go out and “bang” with Gomi. Tyson consantly gets sucked into fire fights and never comes out on the wining end. Can Tyson take Gomi down and submit him? Yes it is very likely, but from his comments and the way he fights I doubt it happens. I think Gomi is going to lose this fight, nowhere did I ever say he was going to win. I just cannot at all agre with this fight being a layup for Griffin, practicaly none of his fights are ever layups. He doesn’t fight to his absolute benefit.

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by Erich Vowell on Jul 31, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, Tyson never fights to his strengths. But even if he goes out there and engages in a straight kickboxing match with Gomi, I’d have to favor Tyson here. Gomi has looked SO faded in the last two years it’s not even funny. Unless a guy is just covering up and not doing a thing, he can’t really get any offense going. The extent of what he does on the feet these days is throw a feeble measuring jab and the occasional hook. This isn’t the same guy who put on incredible displays of MMA boxing against Jens Pulver and Mach Sakurai. This guy isn’t even in the same ball park as that Gomi.

Griffin would have to shit the bed in epic fashion, along with Gomi showing up in 2005 form, for this to go wrong for Griffin. Gomi has been riding on his name for two years now. That ain’t going to cut it against Griffin.

Honestly, I don’t know how Gomi would fair against the Sam Stout’s of the world at this point in his career. He’s that shot.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 31, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stout would beat Gomi soundly. Who was Gomi set to face before Griffin, off the top of your head?

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by Erich Vowell on Jul 31, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Stevenson, who would probably take down Gomi and tap him in short order.

You picked Stout and I picked Stevenson to beat Gomi with no problems. So why any doubts about Tyson Griffin-who’s better than either of those guys-having his way with Gomi Sunday night?

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by Brian Mayes on Aug 1, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stout takes away Gomi’s best asset (his power). And Stout is a better kickboxer than both Stevenson and Griffin. I wouldn’t say Stevenson would run over Gomi, I think Stevenson has as many disadvantages (if not more) than Griffin. Both Griffin and Stevenson don’t have the best gameplans and engauge in fire fights that are at their disadvantage. Both have T-Rex arms and suck at gauging distance. Would Stevenson be able to take down Gomi so easily? I really don’t know. Griffin is a worse match-up for Gomi, but I don’t trust Griffin if that makes any sense. I think he will win, but I would not be surprised if he went out their and Ultimate kickboxed with Gomi and lost.

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by Erich Vowell on Aug 1, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stevenson double legs him and taps him in the first or early second round. Kenny Florian took down Gomi with zero problems. Gomi’s wrestling has really gone down the tubes as of late, mostly because he doesn’t train like he used to.

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by Brian Mayes on Aug 1, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

I really don’t mind eating crow. Sunday night both of you can tear me to shreds and I really won’t mind because I was wrong. I just don’t think Gomi is absolutely done yet. I think he still has a little left in the gas tank. But maybe I am wrong.

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by Erich Vowell on Aug 1, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has "a little left in the gas tank"

And he’s fighting a legit top-ten 155’er, but you’re giving him a shot. F’real dude, I think this is some of your Jap-love coming out, because if the dude that Florian fought shows up, he’s gonna be on his way out. Coincidentally, Sunday is trash night in my part of town.

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by -Neil- on Aug 1, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the UFC lightweight roster right now, I don’t know who on here I’d pick Gomi to beat. I might pick him to beat someone like Waylon Lowe, but Aaron Riley? Aaron probably beats up Gomi. And that’s like your bottom of the barrel, gatekeeper 155 pounder right there.

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by Brian Mayes on Aug 1, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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