Report: Jackson/Machida on tap for fall UFC event
by Matt Bishop on Jul 21, 2010 1:49 AM EDT
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Damon Martin and Ken Pishna over at MMAWeekly.com are reporting that the light-heavyweight showdown between former champions Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Lyoto Machida is expected to happen at a yet-to-be announced event late this fall, potentially in November.
The fight was confirmed to MMAWeekly.com as being in the works by sources close to the bout, and Jackson himself posted on his Twitter account that he was issued a bout agreement for a fight and was about to sign it late Tuesday evening. … The bout between Jackson and Machida is all but a done deal at this point, but no details were available as to what show they would be fighting at. The UFC is rumored to be heading to Germany in November, and this fight could serve as a main event or co-main event if the promotion decides to go that route.
Both men are coming off May losses. Machida lost his UFC light-heavyweight championship to Mauricio Rua at UFC 113 via first-round knockout. Three weeks later, in one of the biggest grudge matches in UFC history, Jackson dropped a unanimous decision to Rashad Evans, a win that sent Evans to a title shot.
The loss to Rua was Machida's first career defeat, as he dropped to 16-1. Jackson is 30-8. The winner of this fight likely would be in line to receive a shot at the winner of the probable spring fight between Rua and Evans.
This fight comes about despite Machida's camp wanting an interim title fight with Evans with Rua being out for an extended period of time due to a knee injury.
This certainly will be an interesting fight. It's one Jackson did not want, claiming Machida's style wouldn't make for an exciting fight. With Machida's feared "elusiveness" taking a big dent in his two fights with Rua, it will be interesting to see what approach Jackson takes in this fight.
[UPDATE by Matt Bishop, 7/21/10 2:45 a.m. ET] MMAJunkie.com is now reporting the fight will be held Nov. 20. The location is still to be determined.
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I’ve only been wanting this fight for about 18 months now. It’s about time.
Frankly, it’s a horrible stylistic matchup for Rampage. Just God awful. The fact that Rampage can’t check a leg kick to save his life is going to come back to haunt him once again. Rampage isn’t a guy like Shogun, who’s super agressive and will just rush a guy and go for the knock out. If he’d done that, he would have beat Rashad. He lays back and waits for openings. Against Machida, that’s just begging to get leg kicked and countered to death.
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make or break fight for both fighters….consecutive losses for either hurts them significantly. I hope Rampage finds those wrestling roots somewhere.
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classic case of a retarded idea
I pity the fool… Rampage, you gonna get served.
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 23, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful yet again please stop.
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if you're gonna whine like a little....
you’re gonna get slapped like a little…. :)
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, Machida via decision
Rampage has the power to hurt Machida but he doesn’t posess the tools to do what BJ Penn or Shogun was able to do against Machida.
Yeah, this is basically a bad match up for the slower, plodding Quinton Jackson with more or less a 1-dimensional style.
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I think Rampage gets finished in late in this fight or loses a decision. Shitty comeback match for him.
"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"
Finished? That would be a huge surprise. Rampage can eat multiple knees, take a punch and survive. Rampage must know that Machida has knees and doesn’t want a Pride flashback.
Not to mention I doubt he has the power to really hurt Rampage with punches. Lyoto can frustrate him with many punches but not necessarily hurt him.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 21, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhh..what? Machida can close the show with punches...
The main reason he doesnt have more KOs are his opponents go into a sit back and take it mode. If Rampage comes forward, he is going to sleep. Chins dont get better from all those knees and getting dropped, they get worse.
I agree Rampage has the power to hurt Machida though, what he doesnt have is the footwork or style to land on him though. Terrible style match for Rampage, as his other tool, tossing guys around, is hard to use against a guy who has some of the best take down defense at 205.
nah
son has a CHIN on him, i’ll be very surprised if he’s stopped by strikes
i could see a submission somewhere perhaps, but a UD is most likely for me
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 21, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If Machida is going to finish Rampage, it’s going to be to the body, not the chin.
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i see neither coming to fruition so for me it’s moot
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 21, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he has a chin
But, sadly EVERY chin is breakable. And if he pushes forward against Machida (the only way he can have a shot at winning the fight) his will break.
Wand pretty much ended him with one punch (the knees after were icing on the cake) and Rashad dropped him with a flash. If Rashad can drop him, Machida can end him, plain and simple.
Please, Rashad Did Not Drop him.
I’m not trying to come off like a die-hard fan but he stumbled towards the cage. Rampage was not “dropped” laying on the floor.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Machida's Power
My theory concerning Machida’s punching power comes from 3 of his opponents.
- Shogun - who can take a shot. The current LHW champion said, he was never bothered by Machida’s power.
- Rashad Evans – who thought “he punches like a bitch” before getting KO’ed. So that doesn’t help BUT I think Machida’s accuracy and pressure was more of a big factor in securing the TKO.
- BJ PENN - He discussed his match against Machida. He didn’t seem to bothered by his power at all. The way he described to beat Machida is more or less what Shogun did, get in his face.
Take note, both Evans and Thiago Silva can be more or less easily dropped by a punch or punches. Guys like Rampage and Shogun, not so much.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 22, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Your theory could use more reality
Machida couldnt hit Shogun because he had no legs under him. Shogun did what it takes to beat Machida, not so much get in his face, but take his footwork and in and out attack away from him. Once he had him uneasy, he was able to be more aggressive.
Accuracy and pressure are what will break Quentin. Granite chin or not. Machida has alot of ways to win that fight, standing or on the ground. Quentin has one, that is a stylistic long shot. I think to say Rampage wont get KO’d though is short sighted, his style against Machida’s lends itself to it being a big possibility.
IME granite chins against accurate, pressure punches over time, Granite chins tend to lose, but we will see.
Rampage needs to make this a brawl very early on. Just bull-rush Machida, a la the glory days of Bob Sapp. Machida can pick him apart all day, but a relentless onslaught can get Rampage the KO.
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he doesn’t have the striking credentials or prowess of a Rua to pull that shit off though… he’s most effective with his counter punching and that aint going to be worth a shit to him here me thinks much the same as side check kicks :)
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 21, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
credentials?
Rampage is, excluding James Toney, the best boxer in MMA besides BJ Penn. His best punches are short, tight hooks, and just one can put your lights out? Do you disagree with this?
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 21, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, I agree :)
His best punches are short, tight hooks, and just one can put your lights out?
You’re proving my point though, he ain’t gonna be anywhere near Machida to land that shit in my humble opinion… son is gonna be circled by a Karateka vulture who’s gonna feed on his lead leg ALL NIGHT LONG…if he thought he had a long night with Griffin he ain’t seen shit or felt shit. His lead leg is like a sacrificial offering from an Inca to the Sun.
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 21, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I’m saying, to fight with Machida, rush in and try to beat his ass like its a street fight. If you let Machida do his thing, that’s game over. Rampage needs to have faith in his sturdy chin to rush in and take a couple of shots so that he can land one of his own.
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 21, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage lumbers around the octagon, ain’t never seen the fool rush… and he especially ain’t catching Machida with that shit….son is a fucking Ninja, Rob!!
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 21, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll have to have a different strategy than normal, for sure. But he’s far and away the best thing at Wolfslair, so I don’t know if anyone can help him. God, I’d love for him to come stateside for a while. Hell, if this fight is in Germany, spend some time at Golden Glory in Holland so people can show him how to check a fucking leg kick.
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 21, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: "far and away the best thing at Wolfslair"
Isn’t that half the problem?? (As someone else pointed out at BE.)
its like BJs came in the sense that they play to his ego, he’s the big fish in a small pond…the head honcho… sucka needs to move on and out
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by RearNakedPoke on Jul 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I’m saying, to fight with Machida, rush in and try to beat his ass like its a street fight. If you let Machida do his thing, that’s game over. Rampage needs to have faith in his sturdy chin to rush in and take a couple of shots so that he can land one of his own.
That is how to get KTFO by machida, and every person who has done it got just that. It worked for Shogun for one reason, Shogun has brutal knees, kicks, and is very good on the ground. He gave Machida so much to worry about with the way he destroyed those legs in the first fight Machida was alot more set than he usually was (looking to defend those legs) rather than doing his “step back and drop a left”.
Also from a fundamental point of view, a good way to get a quick chin check is to go right at a south paw.
Problem is, boxing isnt the way to beat machida, and the reason he has so much success
He is a long range sharp shooter, and had great sucess because everyone kept trying to box him to get inside, where it takes a good leg and body attack to get to his head. Rampage, lacks that.
He has the power to catch him for sure, I just dont see him doing it, and he will get caught all day at the end of that left cross and left kick. OR worse, get tossed on his back by Machida, and get whooped.
observe what?
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 21, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 3PA meant "rush Machida"
When Shogun did NOTHING of the sort, he went after Machida’s body, he went after his legs, but as importantly he went after Machida’s footwork.
Rampage has to fight Lyoto Machida, not the illusion Rampage wants him to be…
People are saying the only way Rampage can win is if he rushes Machida straight off the bell.
That would just play straight into Machida’s strengths, elusive counter punching. Rampage is one of my favourite fighters to win this i think hes got to somehow bring back some wrestling skills and have a solid game plan and actually stick to it IMO.
He doesn’t want to be doing the STANKY LEG like Rashad did against Machida.
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