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TUF 11 Finale Thoughts And Commentary

For an event that many were not looking foward to(I wasn't overly enthused about it), it turned out to be an event with some good fights on it.  We got to see a war between Hamill and Jardine, some subs, and some vicious GnP.  I mean what more could you ask for right?  On to the fights:

-Yager vs. Attonito:  Yager reminds me of a big bully that just wilts under the pressure once you stand up to him.  It happened on the show and happened again last night.  Yager controlled the majority of the action in the first round, but it was a wrap once that fight hit the second right.  Yager started to fade and Attonito basically imposed his will and finished him.  I was happy for Attonito since he didn't really get a fair shake while on the show since he got injured.  He won't be winning any UFC belts anytime soon though.

-Fisher vs. Siver:  I have no idea how Siver makes 155 because he's built like a tank.  After a very close first round that I awarded to Fisher, Siver just kept on coming relentlessly and I think that was the difference in the fight.  Fisher was content with countering most of the night, but Siver's high volume attack was enough to give him the decision.  It was VERY close fight, but I felt that Siver deserved to get the nod.  That's two losses in a row for Fisher, but due to his fighting style, he'll probably be giving another shot in the UFC even though Siver isn't highly ranked at all. 

-Simpson vs. Leben:  Well, the A-Train finally ran out of gas.  I wonder if he came into the fight with an injury because he's usually in shape and a lot more explosive than he was last night.  He couldn't take Leben down besides that one big slam and Leben doesn't exactly have the best takedown defense.  However, he still possesses big power and that combined with Simpson running out of gas was the death stroke for son son.  That's two in a row for Leben after losing two in a row.  Simpson is now in a difficult situation although it's only his first career loss.  He lost to the ultimate gatekeeper in Leben, which means he's gonna really have to get after it to see Zuffa push his career.

Jardine vs. Hamill:  Great fight with both fighters exhibiting a lot of heart.  I thought Jardine was doing a good job of landing some punches while ending the combo's with those devastating leg kicks that he's known for.  He basically was implementing the same game plan he had against Chuck Liddell last night.  However, in the second round Hamill became much more aggressive and basically walked thru Jardine's attacks to attack himself.  Putting Jardine in a great deal of trouble until the eye poke that was unintentional.  However, as I said last night, if that eye poke had not happened I really think Hamill would have finished Jardine because he was certainly in trouble at the moment.  That point deduction was BS, but I think Herb Dean took the POV that Jardine was in trouble and and eype poked saved him or something because he never warned Jardine or anything before taking the point.  I wonder wha the UFC will do with Jardine.  He's gotta be gone after this loss.  That's four in a row granted they are all tough guys.  Hamill will never be champion but you have to respect the way that guy fights.  I don't know if he's ever been in a boring fight.

McGee vs. McCray:  Great feel good story with McGee overcoming all that adversity to win it all.  It was a good fight as well, but McGee just seemed to be in rhythm more and certainly could control where the fight was to take place.  I didn't think he'd finish McCray but I thought he would win.  McGee strikes me as the Amir Sadollah mold in that he's a decent fighter but will not be making contender status.  However, he has two things going for him that Sadollah doesn't.  He's more experienced and has wrestling in his arsenal. 

Browne vs. McSweeney:  Browne is a big ol boy and I liked the way he fought.  McSweeney did a good job of moving in and out of Browne's range at first but Browne eventually clipped him and that was pretty much it.  The most impressive thing was the way that Browne really went for the finish once he had McSweeney mounted.  That GnP was pretty vicious.      


Overall it was a pretty good show although the majority of the fights were ultimate kickboxing affairs. 

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Amir and Court

  First, I would keep in mind, Amir never had a pro fight till he was in the UFC. So, he and court are miles apart regarding experience. Stylewise, also miles apart. Raw athletic ability, ding, again, miles apart.

     If you have such fantastic forsight to tell that a guy who is 10-1 at age 25 will never be a contender……..I dont know what else to say. I for one think you are selling the kid way short. He has all the things you cant teach, Power, heart, will to win. Everything else he can, and will learn. I think he is small for 185, but at 170, I see no reason he wont be contending in a year or two.

    Then again, you also picked macray to beat court, so your forsight might be lacking, alot.

by oggsmash on Jun 20, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, way to pick and choose what you want to read

Let’s review what Kelvin said:

McGee strikes me as the Amir Sadollah mold in that he’s a decent fighter but will not be making contender status. However, he has two things going for him that Sadollah doesn’t. He’s more experienced and has wrestling in his arsenal.

So let’s just go ahead and write off your entire first line, because it was already addressed.

It’s not hard to tell that he probably won’t be a contender. There’s a reason that at 10-1 he’s only just making it into the UFC, and not through a legit contract but through winning a reality show. Is he good enough for the UFC today? Probably not. Will he get good enough to stick around? Maybe. Time will tell, but I also seem to remember people thinking that Amir would turn into a great fighter when he won, and meanwhile he’s all of 3-2.

It’s pretty easy to pick apart what other people say, so why not drop some of YOUR outstanding forsight on us and treat the world to a preview of the future.

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by -Neil- on Jun 20, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol..

I was tryna be nice…Neil coming with that Ether….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 20, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm calling it the way it is

And people waving their finger crying “you were wrong!!” is stupid.

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by -Neil- on Jun 20, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you read, I gave you the forsight......

  he will fight at WW and contend within a year or two.

  As for 10-1 and just making it……most guys who dont go through the UFC at any Weight class other than heavy have alot more fights than 5 or so.

   Kelvin never stated he meant 185, if he had specified that, I would agree, however since historically, just about every guy who wins the show ends up competing at a Weight class lower than they were on the show, and since Court is 5’10" I used my forsight to predict a drop to WW.

   That enough Forsight for you?

by oggsmash on Jun 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kelvin never stated he meant 185

But..that’s the weight he is currently fighting…and although he may drop to WW…he hasn’t mentioned it yet…therefore, I stated what I stated and I’ll stand by that all day.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even though history, almost to a man, goes against your stance......

  In that almost all of them who win move down a weight class, since in the house you have to make weight multiple times, it would be tough to fight at the class you stick to outside the show.

by oggsmash on Jun 21, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

just saying

most of them SAY they are going to move down a weight class…he hasn’t…therefore, I stated what I stated….even as WW I don’t see him doing much…if he proves me wrong…then so be it and good for him.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that it? Drop to the next weight, and contend?

Come on, give us some more deep thoughts than that nostradamus!

This isn’t exactly a predicting. Almost all the dudes that fight in TUF drop in weight, not because cutting in the house frequently, but because TUF has weight classes to fill and these dudes just get on where they can however they can. Remember when Florian and Sanchez fought at middleweight on the show, along with Leben?

And Court McGee being a contender in a few years, let alone ever? Yeah, no. Too slow, and doesn’t have great anything to get the job done.

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by -Neil- on Jun 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see him developing....since he is 25.......

  Let me guess…..another pundit who doesnt train and simply has a sharp toungue? Its not rocket science to see he would drop a class, which was what surprised me about kelvin being able to judge him so far, given his young age and not being in the class he will stay in. His boxing and submission will only get better and better (he is relatively new to both) so…….any other questions?

   Fitch is a contender, and the guy is very similar to him style wise. We can talk again in two years when Court is fighting some other guy for a title shot. I will have your crow ready.

by oggsmash on Jun 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's see

don’t make me count the number of guys that were around 25 or younger that have been on TUF and haven’t even SNUFFED being a contender…it’s no secret that the talent has dropped off severely since the first couple of years…so winning TUF isn’t even close to what it meant back then….yea times and training methods have changed, but they haven’t changed that much…

In regards to training….or lack of training…it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see talent or the lack thereof. I guarantee you Court will not be fighting for a UFC title in 2 year unless it’s for the King Of The Cage title or something…talk about that then…until then…you have your opinion…I have mine….leave it at that.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 21, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me guess…..another pundit who doesnt train and simply has a sharp toungue?

Man, that is some of the most tired rhetoric that I’ve heard. Let’s go ahead and take ALL of the people in the media, commentators, and everybody else who has anything to say about MMA, and gag them if they don’t train. Let me give you a few names: Frank Shamrock, Gus Johnson, Stephan Bonnar. All train, and they’re all terrible. So don’t even get on that train, it just makes you look like a whiny gym rat.

Will his boxing and submissions improve? Maybe. I’ll refer you to TUF 1 runner-up Stephan Bonnar, who not too long ago lost to MARK COLEMAN. He was young, he could’ve improved and.. well, he’s losing fights. I don’t doubt that McGee will get better, in fact I expect him to, but this isn’t some video game where stats will just lurch upwards at a frantic pace. I mean, you’re talking about this practically random dude like he’s the next great hope, but in fact he’s just a dude.

Oh, and comparing McGee to Fitch? I can’t tell whether you’re over-rating McGee, or under-rating Fitch, but these guys are in different worlds. Fitch has below-average striking, great grappling, and zero finishing ability. Contender? Only because he keeps Fitch’ng dudes; there’s a reason that he didn’t get at title shot until he beat a ton of guys.

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by -Neil- on Jun 22, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

as for good enough at 10-1

  Also to redress this…..the camp and management you have has almost as much to do with getting a fight in the UFC as anything else, flat out. But you see Jardine still there, so you know this already.

by oggsmash on Jun 21, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude

my basis was him continuing to fight at MW…so yea…I’ll say my foresight is on point…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 20, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

not to mention

that I mentioned that he has more tools than Sadollah….so it’s possible that he could amount to more….but I wouldn’t be counting on it…especially not at 85’

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 20, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

neither would I but......

  Since most of the smallish guys drop a weight class (and he is a small 185) I used my crystal ball to see him at WW, however I was over critical of you. Mainly because its way too early to predict so much doom and gloom for a 25 year old, and mma pundits, who dont train consistently, can often be hypercritcal.

by oggsmash on Jun 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEF.

"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"

by 3PA on Jun 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 21, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have bob and weaved that jawn...lol

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 21, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird, he reaches in with his right but slaps him with his left.

"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"

by 3PA on Jun 21, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn

pointed out the fallacy of my gif… damn you!!!!! lol j/k

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No no, it's cool

Stuff gets reversed inside the monitor

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by -Neil- on Jun 22, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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