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UFC 115: Why The Carlos Condit/Rory MacDonald Stoppage Was Justified

Carlos Condit Works Rory MacDonald At UFC 115

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I've read a lot of stuff where people were complaining about the stoppage in the Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald fight at UFC 115 this past weekend.  Most people felt that if the fight went to the judges scorecards that MacDonald had done enough to win the decision.  MacDonald was able to take Condit down several times but often did nothing with the position or lack of dominant positions obtained.  Whereas, Condit was a little more successful on the feet when he could keep the fight standing. 

It all goes back to the criteria being judged on as Charles Walker pointed out in the discussion thread that night.  Yes, MacDonald was winning the positional/control portion of the criteria, but Condit owned the damage inflicted category.

Some made the argument that MacDonald should have been allowed to finish the round because there were only a few seconds left, even though he was getting absolutely dominated.  My question is why?  As Condit and Dana White have pointed out, the referees don't know how much time is left in the round.  Sure they could glance up at the clock or listen for the 10 second count as a round draws to a close, but then would all of their attention be on the fighters as it should be?

Although MacDonald controlled Condit for the majority of two rounds should he have even been granted the decision win had he gotten out of the third round after the beating he took?  Personally(and I'm nobody), I always value damage inflicted more than position/control.  Take the Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez fight for example.  Guida had top position but Sanchez was thrashing him with those elbows from the bottom and opened Guida up.  I think that holds waaaay more weight than Guida having top position defending the elbows. 

I mean would it have made a difference if there were 22 seconds left in the fight when the referee stopped it?  Either way, MacDonald was getting hammered and the fight deserved to be stopped based on the amount of damage he was taking.

Look at the Mike Pyle/Jesse Lennox fight where Lennox tapped out with just a few seconds remaining.  What's the difference in that and what MacDonald was doing?  While MacDonald didn't technically quit, he wasn't offering anything in return so the stoppage was justified. 

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great stoppage, son got hammered !

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

ewww

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry Kelvin, SBNation wouldn't allow me any more fan posts/shots

so i said i’d just throw it in here for the peeps

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, that would be Pat Barry post UFC 115 with broken hand and foot…fwiw

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 14, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • MacDonald doesn’t even know what happened so he guessed the stoppage was ok.
  • While MacDonald was sort of protecting himself, he was being badly damaged.

The referee saved himed from further and unnecessary damage. Good job.

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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

i had macdonald and i thought it was a good stoppage.even if it went to the judges that was a 10-8

round imo. first round was definitely macdonalds. second was close. macdonald was a slight dog in nevada and he tried his best. i have no problem with it (the stoppage) and that is the second fight in a row that condit took over the third round. props to him. rich franklin’s knockout of liddell was a thing of beauty. he was my biggest wager of the night at 200 dollars just like i had on rashad. i got him at even money. if i waited i more hour i could have gooten a +120 on him. the casul bettors in nevada pushed franklin to a + moneyline while they bet up pat "cuddles’’’’’ barry to a -190. don’t get me started on that fight and mr downey was correct in thinking he would have stars in his eye’s. good call.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Craig Thompson just might end up being a savvy guy. Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day". Rashad will beat Rua b/c it's a bad matchup for him. 2/1 odds. Josh Koscheck will dethrone Gsp and win the welterweight title. 2.9/1 odds on that too. Peace.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 14, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously...

Look at what happened to Meldrick Taylor. He was never the same fighter again, and who knows what would have happened if he had absorbed just one more punch.

by hugoace on Jun 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

good point hugoace

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 14, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were using the Unified Rules of MMA for this event

Under those rules they utilize the 10-point must system for scoring. They base the scoring on Striking, Grappling, Aggression, and Cage Control. Unfortunately, under these rules they are not supposed to consider damage inflicted. Should they? Hell yeah they should. But they don’t and because of that Rory would/should have won the decision had it gone to the scorecards.

by stak on Jun 14, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the wording is effective striking,grappling and octogon control etc.

I’m lead to believe the word effective would cover damage.

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by doonerthesooner on Jun 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

well…striking, grappling, aggression and cage control was all Condit in the third…which amounted to alot of damage inflicted…lol.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoy good sir!

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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 14, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldn’t agree more, although carlos was taken down those first 2 rounds. he was on his back doing more damage. i give carlos style points, his kicks and did i see the start of drunkin monkey style? for like a second.

by gallowgod on Jun 14, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

just out of curiosity, who how did you score the first round? rogan pretty much delcared Rory won it b/c he got 3 takedowns, i felt the leg kicks, busy-ness off his back, and clipping Rory with that shot that had his glove touch the canvas meant Condit won it?

thoughts?

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by theworldsoldestsport on Jun 14, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

tim

I thought Condit did enough damage to win the round…but figured the judges would give it to Rory because of the takedowns he did nothing with…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 15, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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