UFC 115 Recap And Commentary
by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 13, 2010 2:00 AM EDT
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PrintWow. This event turned out to be pretty good in my opinion. We saw a one hitta quitta knockout. We saw submissions at the last second. We saw a war in Condit vs. MacDonald, and we saw Mirko Cro Cop possibly extend his fighting career. The biggest story-line is that Chuck Liddell is done. I said he was done after the Shogun loss, and I'm still saying it while Rich Franklin proved it. Check it:
-The punch that put Liddell done didn't even seem like it should have put him away like that. I mean that KO looked like some UFC Undisputed stuff the way he fell. He's done, thanks for the memories Chuck but don't come back. Rich Franklin has madd heart in fighting with a broken arm and getting the win, but he will not be beating any of the elite guys.
-Mirko Cro Cop fought the smart fight to get the win after getting dropped twice in the first. I said if he took Barry down he was win the fight fairly easily, and that's what happened once he took the fight to the ground. Pat Barry isn't the next big thing and will never be the next big thing because he refuses to hone his ground game.
-Martin Kampmann exploited the holes in Paulo Thiago's game. I think it was Forrest Lynn(from the Lights Out Radio show) that said Paulo isn't that good but guys just fight with stupid gameplans. Well, somebody(Kampmann) finally fought the smart fight against him. Kampmann re-enters my top ten list for welterweights. Give him Jon Fitch next and stop playing.
-Ben Rothwell and Gilbert Yvel went at it for some heavyweights. The action was fact paced the first two rounds and I enjoyed that fight but neither will be contenders ever.
-Carlos Condit is one of the slowest starters ever. If he fought every round the way he fights the last round in his fights, he would be tough to beat. I knew MacDonald would give him a run, but Condit's experience and gas tank overwhelmed the youngster in the final frame. Some folk think it was an early stoppage, but that kid was getting his ass whipped and it could have been a 10-8 round possibly. Not to mention that MacDonald got takedowns but didn't do much with them. Condit did way more damage in the fight. I said Kampann vs. Fitch earlier, but maybe it's time for the Condit/Kampmann re-match?
-Evan Dunham continues to impress. He outclassed Tyson Griffin fairly easily. I'd like to see him face another top guy.
-Mac Danzig was robbed.
-The referee in the Claude Patrick/Ricardo Funch fight is an idiot.
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Martin Kampmann vs Dan Hardy, since Fitch and Alves are already booked. Anyone else would be a step back.
Evan Dunham vs Sean Sherk. All the other top guys are booked.
Ben Rothwell vs Gabriel Gonzaga. If either guy is ever going to have a chance to be more than a gatekeeper for guys trying to make the top ten, they have to start working their way up now. Winner stays relevant, loser signs with Strikeforce.
Carlos Condit vs Mike Swick. Should be exciting. Condit wins, he’s on a good track. Swick wins, he stops the freefall. Loser never sniffs the belt again.
Cro Cop vs Cheick Kongo. Cro Cop can avenge a loss.
Rich Franklin vs whoever the UFC needs him to fight to help them out. Maybe beat up Tito for Chuck, since no one should let Chuck back in a cage.
by FragglesHateKos on Jun 13, 2010 2:38 AM EDT reply actions
Wait, Franklin doesn't get a title shot after KO-ing Liddell? WTF?!
All kidding aside, Franklin vs Griffin or Lil Nog. Maybe Couture. Very winnable fights, IMO.
Give him Jon Fitch next and stop playing.
Kampmann is getting back on track, and there you go proposing he get Fitch’d… man Kelvin, that’s cold.
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agreed.
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by RearNakedPoke on Jun 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
shit
gotta fight him at some point…may as well be now…lol….better than getting RIGHT to the title shot and then getting Fitch’ed…haha
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Nah, just let Fitch fight the dudes coming off of failing title shots
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Fuck that Fitch needs a title shot if he beats Alves.
He’s earned it more than anyone else
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 14, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
NO.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Large bet on Kampmann in the playground saved my ass probably since I’m pretty sure I bet on Yvel as well lol
Entertaining card that will likely yield a lot of exciting future match ups.
Chuck needed to retire BEFORE the Shogun fight. It’s sad to see him getting laid out left and right. Jens Pulver at least got tapped a couple of times lol
"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"
Wow Paulo Thiago has a problem defending a fast straight jab. Go figure. And yes, the straight jab is still one of the most highly under-used weapons in MMA. So sad. Go Kampmann.
Franklin’s punch was very effective. He caught Liddell lunging in, just Matt Brown vs. Urijah Faber I. With that said, I think the punch didn’t have that much on it.
I really want to hear Chuck Liddell say, “I’m done.”
Cro Cop, Rothwell, Pat Barry and definitely Gilbert Yvel have absolutely nothing to offer the top tier of the HW division. Everybody is still wondering about Junior Dos Santos ground game, the mystery will be solved against Roy Nelson.
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Out of curiousity
You guys saying that punch Rich threw didnt have much on it, do you guys train consistently anywhere, kickboxing or boxing? Because he pretty much put his whole body into it, it was just short because Chuck ran into it. A punch with everything in it, short or not where a guy runs into it with his chin……..is a long way from a soft punch. That and rich is right handed, so his lead hand punches are stiff anyway.
That said, Chuck has been done, the punch he got hit with would have put alot of people down, the problem is two fold though, Chuck never should have been hit with it and he looked like he died when it got him. Hard punch or not, when you start to go completely to sleep from punches, consistently, and you are top of the heap regarding competition, its retirement time.
agreed on Rich’s punch.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's
he looked like he died from it….and Rich isn’t known to have one punch power like that and Chuck would have ate that punch 4 years ago and kept coming…..that’s basically what I was saying….
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Disagree ALOT about Chuck eating that punch ever
Chuck’s chin was certainly better a few years ago, but not alot.
Chuck’s was always assumed to have a granite chin, he didnt. What he had was great timing and mastery of distance, so that he didnt get hit like that from shots he simply did not see. Seeing a punch coming makes a massive difference in taking some off it when its going to hit you. Chuck, has slowed to a point where dancing on the razor’s edge gets him KO’d instead of getting a KO. Rich actually does have alot of power, but what he doenst do is sit down on punches like that, unless a guy is easy to hit (like Quarry) and sadly, at this point in his career, Chuck is easy to hit flush, with shots he cant see coming.
Rich Franklin is right handed.
Dont know where you get your info, but Rich is right handed.
Wikipedia for starters but there was a big fuss when Undisputed 09 came out that Rich would be right handed in the game and that wasn't correct
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 14, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Wiklipedia, IMO not so good for accurate info
Since Rich writes right handed, and said he is igt handed, I guess I will take his word over wiki.
. Southpaw stances were also excluded for clipping issues. As such, southpaw fighters such as Rich Franklin fight with the more traditional right-hand stance in the game.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 14, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
he his right handed..but fights lefty..to have his strong hand forward….which was Bruce Lee’s philosophy with the lead punch….I use the same strategy…my jab is like a tomahawk son!!
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, I did not know that
So he’s a righty but fights left
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 14, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Reason I asked about training
I wouldnt advise a person coming late to the game to (meaning once they are much older than 10-12) to fight strong hand forward, UNLESS they were a lefty fighting orthodox, to make use of the nice powerful left hook that would have.
But there are many ways to skin a cat, so I was curious.
I stand corrected....sorta
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 14, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Rich started his career fighting orthodox
He started his career fighting orthodox, but he switched to south paw largly because its easier for him to defend the shot as a south paw (most wrestlers wrestle strong side forward) and the left kick is money to the body or head in a southpaw v righthanded fighter (works the other way as well, its just the liver is still on the right side of the body.
Where do you train Kelvin?
in my garage...lol
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding Mirko
Mirko didnt take Barry down, he beat him to a sitting postion………Not exactly a takedown. I was impressed with Mirko in that, instead of doing what he historically does when momentum goes against him in a fight, and just hanging around in a fight and not taking any chances, he started to actually fight with some determination, and after he landed that body kick, Barry wasnt the same guy anymore.
Barry has plenty of upside IMO, his problem isnt ground game though, his problem is his technical skills kickboxing dont match his power and speed, he keeps his hands up better, and stops trying to one shot people with each blow, his ground game will keep getting good enough to be a factor. Mirko, wont ever hang with HWs consistently, just too small at this stage with all the giants around.
Heads up, Barry broke his right hand when he dropped Cro-Cop the 2nd time. He also apparently broke his foot at some point in the fight. So that explains some of the weird hesitation on his part.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jun 13, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
I think I mentioned him hurting his hand last night…cause he didn’t throw it much after the first round…
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Yeah, the ref in that Funch fight, I was like WTF? This guy is really trying to show his ass out there and get Dana to notice him or something. He was a jackass. Is he new? I don’t really know all the names of the refs they use anymore. Between him and Lavigne that was the worst reffing I’ve seen in such a short time span.
As someone stated above, I’ll believe Chuck is done when the words come out of his own mouth and then when some time passes and he doesn’t change his mind. Chuck seems like the type of guy that believes he can still beat anybody out there, although in reality he cannot, so I can see him still being resistant to retiring.
The punch from Franklin seemed pretty darn stout to me. He was putting a lot into it, and although it didn’t exactly land in the spot of a typical KO punch, Chuck’s momentum moved him right into it as it was coming forward hard. He was trying to too hard to put Rich away and got clocked for his carelessness. I’d say he pulled an “Arlovski,” if you catch my meaning. I like Chuck and Rich. I didn’t want to see either one lose that fight.
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