A Win for Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua is a Win for the UFC Light Heavyweight Division
If you're thinking like me, May 8th will be another W in Lyoto Machida's record, unfortunately. Why do I think this? Even after the masterfully executed game plan utilized by Mauricio ‘Shogun' Rua, he did not get his hand raised. Controversy and conspiracy theories aside, ‘Shogun' lost. Maybe not in convincing fashion or on your scorecards but he did. Now this is a must win situation for Rua, in that if he loses his second opportunity at the title, the likelihood that he gets another shot becomes massively lessened. The problem with this is the UFC's light heavyweight division is in what I call a reassembling period. Whereas a few years ago, you had a vast number of names and contenders that could potentially challenge for the belt, now Dana and co. are having to scramble to create believable contenders. Right now, the ONLY contenders are Quinton ‘Rampage' Jackson and Rashad Evans. Besides those two, there could be a claim made for Antonio Rogerio Nogueira with a victory over Forrest Griffin. Randy Couture could potentially throw his name in the hat but the UFC seem more focused on superfights for the aging star rather than another title hunt. From there, we have blue chippers Jon ‘Bones' Jones and Ryan Bader. While both have racked up impressive wins in the UFC, throwing them in the sharks pool that is the upper echelon of the light heavyweight division may not be a wise move if they want these guys to be the future draws of the company. As we've seen in the heavyweight division, slow and steady wins the race as both Junior dos Santos and Cain Velasquez have been primped for their future title shots.
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Thus the immediate future of the light heavyweight division, in my opinion, rests on the shoulders of ‘Shogun' this Saturday and as I stated in my first sentence, his chances don't look good. With a title win, there are countless ways the UFC can go forward. A possible rematch with Rampage would be huge. A fresh match up with Rashad Evans would draw interest. A colossal rematch with ‘Lil Nog' would satisfy any and every hardcore fan. Even a rematch with guy that welcomed him to the UFC would have an excellent storyline. On the flipside, Machida's possible clashes would be much harder to sell. No one wants to see a rematch between him and Rashad. A bout with Rampage would be very interesting but only if he has a good showing against Rashad. I doubt there is much chance that Lil Nog would face ‘The Dragon' as they're both managed by Ed Soares. Forrest Griffin/Lyoto Machida could do some PPV buys but do we really give Forrest much of a chance? Jones and Bader would probably need at least one or two more victories against top flight talent before they get mentioned, so we could possibly see the title and champion sitting on the sidelines for much of the rest of the year.
A victory for ‘Shogun' Saturday is a victory for the UFC and the light heavyweight division. With the other UFC champions basically dominating their respective divisions (even BJ though he's no longer champ), having a competitive division with a vulnerable champion is much needed. As much as we love to see GSP and Anderson Silva crush every welter and middleweight thrown in their way; it's nice to have a champion with challengers that hold a significant threat and are not just positioned to be another member of their highlight reel.
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Disagree 100%
Shogun needs to perform well enough and everybody will want to see a third match, also Rampage vs Machida or Anderson vs Machida are solid fights
For now can we just forget about Anderson vs. Machida or Machida vs. Noguiera or A. Silva vs Noguiera in the LHW division. It’s just not going to happen.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 3, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so...
You disagree that Shogun winning does not create infinitely more match-ups then if Machida wins. You then go on to list 3 possible fights: a rubber match, a match that can not happen, and one interesting fight.
So: If Machida wins, one possible interesting fight.
If Shogun wins, endless matchups.
Cool.
by Body Triangle on May 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Overall, I believe a win for either fighter will still be fine for the UFC LHW division.
If Machida is the victor he has a number of interesting matches against Jackson, Couture(?), Liddell-provided he looks remotely decent, Evans, Griffin and then maybe the Bader and Jones. Surely as soon as Machida successfully defends his next 2-3 title fights, a new name will surely emerge. Machida has not proven himself to be the dominant title holder like GSP or Anderson Silva.
With that said, Frankie Edgar proved all the experts wrong by defeating the dominant champion, BEST LW in the WORLD, BJ Penn.
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great read Charles
interesting thought process…suppose Machida does win, maybe we do see him at HW like he hinted a while back…
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That’d be interesting against some of the cirka. 230-240 HWs, but yeah – I’m not all that keen on fighters jumping weight like crazy. Especially when you’re not particularly well-established as the “face” of 205 yet.
A less than stellar challenger for the title is ok every now and then.
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by 3PA on May 3, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida v Velasquez
gives me goosebumps… hell Pat Barry, Gonzaga and co would all be sweet
to be honest im a big fan of jumping weight [ps. this is tbc after my exams…don don donnn]
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by RearNakedPoke on May 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
Machida would get destroyed by most heavyweights…he could probably beat Barry since he’s like 5"10 with no wrestling background….Velasquez wouldn’t even be fair…lol.
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most likely
but i’m just saying personally it interests me…im kinda odd ;)
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by RearNakedPoke on May 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

lmao…man, i really pissed y’all off… at ease, i hear ye ;)
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by RearNakedPoke on May 3, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, let him truly establish his presence as the 205 guy to beat.
Machida against the guys that are 250lbs and above is laughable. BJ Penn gave him a competitive fight at 205lbs. I don’t see how Machida’s style would be effective against the big men of the heavyweight division.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
as i said to Kelvin
i just have a diverse interest when it comes to matchmaking…i never said it would be competitive y’all, i just pointed out where my interests lie… don’t accidently misconstue what im saying! again its just fantasy matches that intrigue me…i guess having trained Karate, quite humbily, i’d just enjoy seeing these fights… DON’T EAT ME ! [i taste bad ;)]
and ye can all be happy that i’m not doing the match making so fear not mma nutz (",)
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by RearNakedPoke on May 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you on the matchmaking. I would love to see the 185lbs. or 200lbs. guys who feel they can compete against a 230lbs. fighter. Why not? That’s what the old school UFC-PRIDE and current Dream does.
I enjoy you it as much as you do. i just enjoy all kinds of fights, no matter what the discipline is. But yeah, some more than others.
Give me Shields vs. GSP or A. Silva any day.
I would still love to see Matt Hughes back up his words and face A. Silva.
Or GSP vs. Alan Belcher.
Or how would Nate Marquardt do against 205lbs. fighters.
and since Chael Sonnen totally dismissed Forrest Griffin, let’s see how he would fare against the former LHW champion.
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by VeeisAnimated on May 3, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I fully agree with Charles
A Shogun win opens up limitless possibilities….whereas a Machida win narrows things down considerably…
I’m rooting for Shogun….
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The only fights it limits are fighters involved with Blackhouse,
None of them are in title contention anyway Rogerio is the closest (besides Anderson) and if he beats Forrest he needs at least 1 more fight
by doonerthesooner on May 3, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
CW
I only disagree in that I think Shogun gets the W this time. Am I biased? Yes… he’s possibly my favorite fighter…
But that aside, it seems in the lead up to the fight that everyone is thinking Machida is the only one coming in with some grand new gameplan. As demonstrated by the last fight, Shogun, too, is a remarkably intelligent fighter with a solid team behind him.
Win or loss, I think Shogun is the cinammon of the division. If he’s the champ, epic title fights with: Rampage, Lil’ Nog, Anderson Silva (!!!). Even if he loses, we could see fights with: Rashad*, rematch with Griffin, and slobber knocker with Thiago Silva…
*I am, of course, assuming Rampage beats the living hell out of Rashad, and Nog dispatches Forrest violently.
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The cinammon?
And I don’t think the Rampage/Rashad is gonna be and easy one to call, I think Rampage has gone soft( just my opinion I’m not saying the guy can’t kick Rashad’s ass I just don’t thing his head/heart is in it.) And I hope I’m wrong but yeah, Forrest is prolly gonna get his face wrecked. See you on the next post.
by doonerthesooner on May 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
*cinnamon--do people not say this? is it just my family? wouldn't be the first time...
I think if there’s one guy ‘Page can get up for, it’s Rashad. As soon as he sees that mug smiling across from him in the cage, it’s Ultra-Violence time.
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