Brett Rogers: A Victim of Competition..Or Lack There Of
Many of us (including myself) gave 'The Grim' a much better than slim chance of beating Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion Alistair Overeem on Saturday night. I mean, the guy had just made Fedor Emelianenko's face look like a Jason Voorhees victim before he was brutally knocked out. However, that's the thing...he was brutally knocked out. It seems most people did not factor in what the effects of a loss like that would be on the mammoth-yet-young Heavyweight. We saw those effects Saturday night. Rogers was overly cautious, back pedaling, and not throwing the heavy-handed combinations that got him this far. You see, there's a reason why the UFC can throw guys like Shane Carwin, Brock Lesnar, and Cain Velasquez in with the big fish; they have a background or skillset in something other than punching people really hard. That's not a knock on Brett Rogers and his abilities, it's just a proven fact. When you're in competition with fighters that have fought some of the best the sport has ever seen and your biggest wins are against a glass-jawed Andrei Arlovski and James Thompson...it's a recipe for disaster.
The problem isn't Brett Roger's willingness to step in there with the best. That is admirable. The problem is Strikeforce not realizing that to build up a fighter with tons of potential but that is still lacking in numerous areas, you have to scale back on their competition or at least match them up with fighter's that will help them in the areas they are lacking in. This is something Joe Silva and co. are great at. This is why Cain Velasquez was put in the cage against Cheick Kongo, to test his chin as well as his ability to fight a well-known striker. The same with Shane Carwin, he was put in the cage with Gabriel Gonzaga and Frank Mir, to possibly test his ground game. He passed both with flying colors. Sure those fights were dangerous for the aforementioned UFC heavyweights but they also were beneficial (to a certain extent) to each fighter. Strikeforce, for the most part, isn't absolutely void of decent enough heavyweights for Rogers to fight that won't be considered a horrible step back but give him ways to work on tools necessary to compete at the level they want him to. Just the vision of Rogers being ragdolled to the mat and then looking like a fish out of water off his back should be proof that he needs lots of time learning some grappling basics even if he was in there with one of the best. I think it's time for Strikeforce to realize that they have a big, heavy handed fighter whose biggest weapon, confidence, has been dismantled and until they help build that back up, we could see 'The Grim' on the wrong side of several more beatdowns in the near future.
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well, this is what ufc is really good at, through an intelligent matchup, one can really make a fighter grow and develop his skills, and one can build up a fighter after a loss. the time wasn’t right for rogers, he really needed at least 2 easier opponents after fedor. (he would have still lost to overeem, but in a more balanced fight). on the other hand, it also makes it all more a family affair, with big daddy dana deciding who’s gonna fight who next and where, and deciding when u’re ready for the title and when not. and this is also a problem, your whole career depending on the mood of the big daddy.
yea
Roger’s probably should have been re-built…but who else was worthy of a title shot against Overeem? Rogers lost to Fedor…but he gave him all he could handle…and Fedor is the best HW in the world…they got Overeem to come and fight…which is a miracle so they went with what they had….the only real move they had IMO..
Now…I think the UFC does a good job of deciding who is title worthy…they get it right way more times than they get it wrong…and usually it’s some type of injury or somebody wanting to retire early(roll eyes) when the ‘wrong’ person gets it.
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I don't think that Rogers needed to be re-built
I think he needed to be built. This is a guy who was going from the likes of John Murphy and Abongo Humphrey to Andrei Arlovski and Fedor. I mean, when his first fight that goes past the first round was Humphrey, and despite him only having one loss this man is not a top-ten talent or someone that “the people” are clammoring to get on-air.
I proposed to Eveezy and Forrest on-air whether or not Rogers’ outlook is due to his upbringing or skill, and though they both said that it was his skill I’m inclined to say it’s his upbringing. Taking a guy that’s got wins over “dudes” and letting him light up Arlovski.. well, a striker with B- or better striking and power can do that. That isn’t to say that I don’t think that Rogers could succeed in a larger promotion like the UFC, but this is a guy that was squashing scrubs then got a guy with a glass jaw. Certainly it’s not his fault, as he’s fighting whoever is put in front of him, but the fact is that this guy went from D and C opponents, then up to the A class.
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lol
Yea…he did jump a couple of classes in regards to comp…but after you beat AA…you can’t really go back to fighting the James Thompson’s of the world…nahmean…but after the Fedor loss…he probably shouldn’t have been fighting Overeem is all I’m saying…but again…SF didn’t really have anyone else to fight Overeem since Fedor’s camp wanna act like little girls.
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Exactly
They could’ve brought in someone though, you know? I mean yeah, he’s not going to be fighting some 8-7 local guy, because that doesn’t do him any good, but there’s got to be SOMEONE that they can bring in. Jeff Monson maybe? The guy doesn’t even have to have a name, but going up against legit top five talent back to back.. I mean come on, what did Strikeforce THINK would happen?
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come on fam
this is SF we talking about…they ain’t bringing in nobody….lol….you would think they would use that DREAM alliance to help in situations like this….oh wait!
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They could
But last I checked heavyweights don’t exist in Japan… WAIT, WHAT ABOUT ZULU??
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nice back and forth.
Rogers is an entertaining fighter when he gets in the pocket and swings for the fences. The kid has power and could KO an elephant, the problem is, he isnt as good as Coker had hoped. With Rogers power and story, Strikeforce could have had a marketable fighter. This fight should end any top 10 discussions about Rogers. I think it says a little more about Fedor too. I know, I know, MMA is a bad thing. But, the ease at which Overeem handled Rogers, makes me think Fedor loses badly.
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I think you're spot on
Although at the same time I don’t think it’s fair to knock Fedor just because he didn’t murder Rogers like Overeem did. Rogers was more tentative when fighting Overeem, and I think it was that pressure which gave him the very brief success over Fedor.
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I will always be a Fedor fan.
So, I actually dont have an axe to grind here. But, I think Brett was more tentative for a good reason. Rogers didnt respect Fedor’s stand up nearly as much as he did Overeems. In all reality, if Fedor gets Alistair to the ground he has a great chance to win. But, I think, Overeem will be able to use his kickboxing and takedown defense to keep the fight standing. Moreover, Rogers may have been feeling disrespected with the large number of people not picking him to stand a chance vs Fedor. In contrast, Rogers wasnt nearly the underdog vs Alistair as he was Fedor. So, in summary, his tentative approach could have been a result of respect for Overeem’s standup.
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The problem is Strikeforce not realizing that to build up a fighter with tons of potential but that is still lacking in numerous areas, you have to scale back on their competition or at least match them up with fighter’s that will help them in the areas they are lacking in.
haven’t we spent the last 6 months bitching about Bobby Lashley wanting to do the same thing
yea
but Lashley’s competition level isn’t going up AT ALL with each fight…
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I disagree
Because I don’t think that Lashley is that talented. They’re building him slowly, and that’s great, but it’s a slow build that’s on TV, which is just baffling. Part of the thing with Lashley isn’t Strikeforce, because they’ve wanted him to fight Shane Del Rosario for a while, which would be a good fight, but his camp keeps turning down anyone marginally talented.
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it ain't great when you are his age
the fights he has had haven’t showed us anything…
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this is also a systemic problem with Strikeforce.
They pay a fighter like Fedor or Hendo alot of money then put them in the cage with C level talent. The lack of depth is killing Strikeforce. 2 more shows and they have no new story lines. No good matchups and no real vehicle to launch new talent. If Fedor beats Werdum, then Overeem beats Fedor, who fights Overeem next? Strikeforce doesnt have anyone capable of fighting Fedor or Overeem. Big Foot is not ready, not being able to KO Arlovski says alot about Silva’s power. Lashley is still green and no one else has either the ability or name recog to step up. And Shane Del Rosario isnt ready either. So, Strikeforce will have to co promote with some other fight org in order to give Overeem or Fedor a fight.
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Junior dos Santos had a very comparable win to Brett Rogers
Rogers KO’d Arlovski and JDS KO’d Werdum, two fighters with very similar stature at the time. The UFC could have thrown JDS into the deep end right then and there, but they scaled him back to fighting Stefan Struve next.
Rogers got thrown into the deepest end possible against Fedor. He didn’t do half bad, but that’s still a huge leap from where he should have been. I think now they’ll throw him some good but winnable challenges, which will be good for him in the long run
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yea
least Werdum gave Vera and Gonzaga the business before the JDS fight though…..lol…JDS destroyed Gonzaga too!
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