So Is Frankie Edgar The #1 Lightweight In The World After Beating BJ Penn At UFC 112?
by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
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It's a legitimate question right, since Frankie Edgar won the fight at UFC 112? Above are the fightmetric statistics for the BJ Penn/Frankie Edgar scrap at UFC 112. Now, I will not dispute that it was a close fight as it most certainly was. However, watching the fight live I thought Penn landed more shots and landed more 'clean' shots as evident in the replays the UFC was showing in-between rounds. Also, the stats from fightmetric back up that stance as well.
Fightmetric scored the fight in favor of BJ Penn 49-47. Now, I caught some heat by ranking Shogun Rua in the #1 spot because I thought he beat Lyoto Machida at UFC 104. It's crazy how similar that fight and last night's fight between Penn and Edgar was. Prior to last night's performance, I had Edgar in the #7 slot as far as lightweight rankings go. I take nothing away from Edgar as he performed and executed a good gameplan. However, I don't know if I can rank Edgar in the #1 slot after that performance. Where would you rank him now?
HT: Fightmetric
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I simply can't believe the lack of outrage about this
A UFC belt changed hands on the back of quite possibly the most laughable decision ever.
Don’t even compare this to Shogun-Machida.That fight was close-no matter how you cut it,that fight was 3-2,and one or two of those rounds were REALLY close to call.This fight was a wash for BJ.
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We have to wait for Aoki/Melendez at this juncture IMO
If Aoki wins: Aoki takes the #1 spot.
If Melendez wins, oh boy:
- Edgar leapfrogs to the #1 spot (if you think he legitimately beat Penn)
- If not, Penn keeps the #1 spot and Edgar moves up the ranking to like 2nd or 3rd and if so
- You basically have to stick Gray Maynard one spot behind Edgar in what will be a messy list to say the least
Man I don’t even know now that I started typing lol
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No
that was a terribly hard fight to watch. The decision was made based on the movement of Edgar for the entirety of the 5 rounds but you can easily see that Penn was landing more effective strikes. The only thing that he was landing consistently was the leg kick.
I started feeling the pit in my stomach develop about mid way through the third. I knew that if it went to decision that Penn would lose just because Edgar was dancing around and looked more active. He was definitely moving. I will give him that. My issue with his movement is that is was, for the most part, always away from Penn. He didn’t press and engage. He “Anderson Silva-d it” if you will.
I am a BIG fan of Bj’s and it was heartbreaking to watch the decision on what can definitely be considered a relatively close fight. I had it going BJ’s direction just because he was more actively engaging. And to hear the scores called what they were, I was astounded. 50-45? who is that guy? fire that guy…
And the takedowns played a big part as well.
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I really don’t want to think of Aoki as #1…
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Don't worry
Melendez will take care of that on Saturday.
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Check the CompuStrike stats:
http://www.compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_112/Penn-Edgar.HTM
Penn’s my boy and I’ll always be a fan. I’d probably even pick him in a rematch but I think it’s unquestionably reasonable to claim that Edgar won that fight yesterday.
Yeah Compustrike basically points Edgar as the busier fighter with more points.
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by VeeisAnimated on Apr 11, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeA
but fightmetric is much more meticulous about how they go about collecting data…thus more accurate
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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 11, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Compustrike is done on the fly,FightMetric is done by analyzing replays.They go over it with a fine tooth comb,which is why the UFC uses them for all their data…….and not Compustrike. LOL
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Then compustrike, though less accurate, might be more indicative of how the fight looked to the judges then no?
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Considering the judges seem to spend most of the time either picking their nose or ordering their next hotdog,then yes.
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by Brian Mayes on Apr 12, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hm, cybernetic judges with a built in frame-for-frame replay function (sponsored by Fightmetric) might be the way of the future…
"I don't care, hit him with your groin!"
How about competent judges who actually give a shit?
That’ll solve your problem right there.It’s not a matter of what angle you were sitting in.It’s a matter of paying attention,and doing your job.These guys spend most of their time jerking off.You know how many judges have been caught casually strolling back to their seats about mid-way into the third round?They just wander off during the fight to get something to eat,or to take a phone call.They don’t give a big rats ass.This is their JOB.These are gov’t workers,and they don’t give a big rats ass if you don’t like their decisions,because they have job security up the ying-yang.Brock Lesnar could go out there and spend every minute of a 25 minute fight on top of Shane Carwin punching him in the face,and if Doug Crosby and Cecil Peoples handed in score cards that said 50-43 Carwin,you know what would happen?
Nothing.People would bitch,and the commision might ask the judges why they scored it that way.All the judges have to say is,“I like what Carwin was doing off the bottom-how he was deflecting those punches with his face”,and that would be the end of it.Because nothing in MMA judging is concrete.It’s all open to interpetation,for exactly this reason.
The whole thing is designed as a CYA procedure.No one can ever say a judge is wrong.That’s the gov’t for you,friends and neighbors.
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Both Compustrike and Fightmetric are a joke, I don’t trust them as far as I can thron BJ Penn and that’s isn’t far. Edgar is clearly the number 1 LW in the world after his masterfull performance there was no controversy and while it was a close fight it was a fight that Frankie pulled out via outworking BJ the last 3 rounds.
And Bas Rutten really did beat Kevin Randleman!
I swear!
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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 12, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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