A Tale of Two Promotions (Strikeforce vs. UFC)
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In light of the recent speculation that UFC could headline an event in Nashville, TN on the same date that Strikeforce: Nashville will take place (April 17), I couldn’t help but be critical of the glaring similarities and differences between the two promotions.
Dana White constantly insists that the level of talent in the UFC is far beyond anything Strikeforce has to offer, with the exception of Fedor. "Strikeforce is a lower-level promotion where young, up-and-coming talent, not in the UFC, goes to make some money." But if that is the case, then why does he continue to pick up lower-level tier opponents that don’t cut it for the ranks of Strikeforce (i.e. Phil Baroni, Frank Trigg, and Dennis Hallman). The same interview showed the UFC boss telling the media "the last thing on my mind when I go to bed…is Strikeforce." Oh really, Mr. White? Then why torture your own fans and try to counter program an event the same night, and city, as "Strikefarce."
In its young life-span, Strikeforce has amassed world class talent (albeit a handful), promoted nationally televised cards on cable television, and even managed to crack the top ten for most watched MMA fights of all time ( Fedor vs. Rogers 5.46 million viewers). Despite UFC’s growing popularity since it was acquired by Zuffa, it’s no secret that their talent base was vastly inferior to the likes of Pride FC before the Japan-based promotion folded. At one point in time, the top-tier fighters were actually leaving to fight better competition (i.e. BJ Penn, Jens Pulver). And let’s not forget Dana White’s ill-fated attempt of sending his "best" fighter, Chuck Liddell, to Pride in an effort for him to become the true "world champion" of two different organizations.
As far as champion talent, the upper division is similar, but the depth of fighters the UFC possesses is far deeper than that of Strikeforce.
A look at the breakdown of their top fighters per weight class (provided by fightmagazine.com as of 3/9/10):
- At Heavyweight, Fedor is number one while UFC champ Brock Lesnar is number three. SF HW champ Allistair Overeem is number nine.
- UFC LHW champ Lyoto Machida is number one while SF champ Gegard Mousasi is number two.
- Current UFC MW champ Anderson Silva is ranked second overall while Strikeforce MW champion Jake Shields is number six, and Dan Henderson is number three.
- At WW, GSP is number one and Nick Diaz is number three.
- The Lightweight division has BJ Penn at one and Gilbert Melendez at eight.
While he is not the current Strikeforce champion, Fedor Emelianenko chose to sign with San Jose based organization instead of the UFC in light of issues his management team, Global M-1, had with Dana White and company. Fedor is not the only top heavyweight out there, but it’s no secret that Mr. White had long coveted the Russian fighter’s services. A long, drawn-out potential marriage between the fighter and the UFC has undoubtedly left a bitter taste in DW’s mouth after the Russian basically told him "Dasvidaniya."
Regardless of that, UFC has managed to put out great fights on its cards on a consistent basis. It’s such a joy that a fight promoter like Dana White would save us from the side show acts that Strikeforce and Dream put on (i.e. Herschel Walker, Bob Sapp, and Jose Canseco), and privilege us with such world class talent such as Kimbo Slice, James Toney, Roli Delgado, Junie Browning, Kalib Starnes and Wes Sims. (Wait, they’re both guilty of that last one.)
Perhaps Dana White is right. Strikeforce may never rival the UFC in head-to-head buys or viewings but it’s apparent that other promotions are needed to ensure healthy competition and to enlist and grow fighters that otherwise would not make the UFC because of budget or roster space issues. But as far as the gradual growth of Strikeforce, I would argue that they are doing extremely well for themselves, thus far. Granted, we are not privy to the totality of contracts and backroom deals that make the organization "work." But in four year’s time, Strikeforce has managed to promote 29 fight cards. In the UFC’s first four years they produced only 18 shows. As of current, Strikeforce is nowhere near UFC’s level of popularity and overall talent base. But let’s not forget that at one point the UFC was small organization, too. And to be clear, I am a fan of the UFC, but an even bigger fan of MMA. That being said, Mr. White, get we all just get along?!
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Nice post man
BUT…since I’m on the opposite side of things in regards to rankings now…(yall get to dissect mine each month)…those fightmagazine rankings are wack. How in the hell is Mousasi #2? How is Anderson Silva second? Hell, even I don’t have Nick Diaz at #3!!!! Also, who’s ahead of Brock Lesnar besides Fedor?
I know those are not your rankings PJ Meida…but damn…you could have used the MMA4Real rankings son!!!
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Also, who’s ahead of Brock Lesnar besides Fedor?
Correct me if I’m wrong but Brock has only won 4 fights. lol I never look at ranking but is Lesnar really the consensus #2? How, why, do what? O_o Becuase he has teh UFC belt? God do I hope Carwin Mir beats his ass.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 9, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dawg
Yea…Lesnar is really the consensus #2…and Carwin would get melted against Lesnar…he’s going to get melted against Mir IMO…
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Well thats just plain dumb. I really wish Lesnar had been the one to KO Big Nog than Cain. It would have made me think he’s actually supposed to be ranked high.
And Carwin, Melted? lol Against the new MegaMir yeah maybe, but he woulda tooled the Mir Lesnar beat IMO. Im pulling for Carwin myself but just want whoever wins to rape HonkeyKong, as they’ve said on BE lol.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 9, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
yo
opinions vary…did you watch the Carwin/Gonzaga fight? Gonzaga was HANDLING son…lol…he took Carwin down and he’s a BJJ guy…
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Seriously
I watched that fight again the other day, that Carwin would get obliterated by Lesnar. He was losing every second of that fight until he landed his punch, and Brock probably won’t melt that easily.
Forget melting, I’d be surprised if Carwin would even be able to stand up again after a Lesnar takedown.
Who is #1 at Middleweight then? Sonnen?
by Erich Vowell on Mar 9, 2010 5:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good write up
My only gripe about Strikeforce is the lack of depth in their roster as well as what seems to be a lack of a promotions department.
With that being said I cant wait for that card in Nashville to happen.
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My gripe
is that they don’t promote their fighters or brand worth a damn…I know it takes money to do so…but there’s all kinds of viral marketing they could implement(that they barely use)…hell…even Bellator is killing them in regards to keeping their name in the news cycle.
Oh…and also..it pisses me off that they associate themselves with M-1…when it’s clear what M-1 is….or rather..is not.
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Why does he sign those guys?
To put the hurt on their depth of serviceable talent. Why does he counter shows? Because it’s a good business practice. I’m sure that DW isn’t overly concerned about Strikeforce. I’m sure that it isn’t the foremost thought in his mind but he can’t just let these guys off easy. That’s never been the UFC’s way. I hope SF keeps on going but after they lose their CBS deal they will go back to their regional ways.
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Great great write up, BTW! Rec'd!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
rankings
alright yall are killing me on the rankings thing. next time i will use mma4real’s rankings. damn, ill lose cred over this, lol!
Favorite fighters: Torres, Penn, Diaz's, Serra, GSP, Karo, Miura, W. Silva, Rua, Rampage, Machida, CroCop, Nog's, Fedor
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Kind if have to agree with a lot of the comments. Good write up though. And man who makes the fight magazine rankings. Silva #2? Moussasi#3? I barely could get past that. But SF is going to self destruct if they think they don’t need to build cards with a balance. You can’t just pull a guy out of a hat to use as a challenger (see connen, marius). Hardcores know these people but the average viewer?
I think
SF should just do away with these Challenger shows…nobody is watching them….nobody cept hardcores…as Loco said…I mean they talk about doing 20 shows…so what if they do 20 shows….how about doing 6-8 BIG shows…I think they would fair better in the long run…I mean the gate at the last challengers show was 86K…and had a little over 2,000 in attendance…yo…we have local shows here in NC that beat those numbers….just stop playing with that litte stuff.
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I was thinking the same thing about the 6-8 big shows especially with supposedly the news that fedor will headline a card in june or july. Could be a good sign of things to come for them. I am commenting from my mobile phone as I am moving so excuse the lack of proper punctuation and grammar. I think the challenger shows are what SF would be doing if they hadn’t signed Fedor and went big time. There is some kind of emotional attachment from Coker is only proper explanation for why they are still holding them
Now let's look at the differences
Gotta disagree with this fanpost completely.
As has been said, and noted: those rankings are absolute trash. Even if those rankings were recorded by actually respected sites, who the hell wouldn’t be discerning enough to laugh at someone that has Chael Sonnen as the number one MW above Silva (they have Minowa at 9 – lol), and Nick Diaz at number three at 170. Who are Nick’s big wins at WW? Well…there are none. That site also has Sotiropoulos as a #3 LW. Just saying…use a little discretion here.
Most importantly though, I think the differences between the two reveal a wider gap than the similarities would indicate.
Strikeforce had five fighters on their Miami card that had either never won a fight, or were making their debut: Walker, Oxley, Gomez, Ray, and Clarke. Meanwhile, talented fighters (some of whom have openly complained) like Shaolin, and Galvao sit on the bench for reasons that defy logic. When has the UFC ever squandered talent in such a way while at the same time sticking guys on cards who literally have no place on such a stage? Pointing the finger at freakshows like Slice and Toney is a superficial criticism, and says little in the way of Zuffa being comparable to Strikeforce.
The big difference is that Zuffa has and continues to have a firm grasp of how to handle MMA’s future. Strikeforce, with their lack of diligent prospect hunting (for a blueprint on how to do this right, see Bellator), and signing fighters seemingly beyond their payroll while remaining understaffed, does not. I don’t believe this is deliberate. Showtime and CBS have a lot of influence over the decisions that are made, but if they wanted to play with the big boys, they should have been prepared. To me, it’s clear that they are not.
by David Castillo on Mar 9, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I didn't write this
this was courtesy of our fanpost that have been blowing up….keep up the good work…this is what it’s all about…good healthy discussion.
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