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Shinya Aoki Cannot Lose

 

by Alex Evans


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Shinya Aoki wants your attention. 

It all started with a surprising first round submission of top three lightweight and current Bellator champion Eddie Alvarez.

This win seemed to awaken something in Aoki.  Shortly after, he made his first call for BJ Penn stating that "the pinnacle for me is BJ Penn."  What’s crucial is Aoki’s final sentence, "I know that everyone says they want Penn, but I think I’m the number one Japanese fighter to be saying this." A few months later, after taking the DREAM lightweight title, the most prestigious lightweight belt Japan has to offer, it was hard to dispute this.

But the real transformation was to come at Dynamite, as he brutally snapped the arm of Sengoku champion Mizuto Hirota and proceeded to do a one-fingered salute song and dance that would put Brock Lesnar to shame.  Certainly, image and fan awareness are not unknown grounds for Aoki.  After all, those legendary rainbow pants of his are custom-made by a designer.

Yet for all of these feats, Aoki has never fought overseas.  All of his success has been found in his home country of Japan.  Indeed, even most, if not all, of his grappling achievements have come in Japan.

Similarly, all of his significant wins and losses come against equally alien competitors.  Men like Joachim Hansen, Alvarez, Gesias Calvancante, and Hirota cut their teeth in Japan.  Even the man to last defeat him, Hayato "Mach" Sakurai, while a legend in Japan, was beaten down by Matt Hughes in his only fight for an American promotion.

If anything, Aoki represents the state of the US-Japan divide in MMA post-Pride.  With a fighter so exclusively Japanese and so bound to the ring, rules, and competition of Japan, it’s hard not for certain questions to arise.  However, it also allows the increasingly public Aoki to become something much larger now that Strikeforce has come knocking.

Star-divide

On April 17th, Aoki will make his US debut when he fights Strikeforce champion Gilbert Melendez.  This is a risky fight for fans of Japanese MMA.  Indeed, it is probably the greatest nailbiter since Fedor Emelianenko battled Tim Sylvia. 

With the mixed success Pride stars have often found in the UFC, the continued belief that the UFC is exclusively where the best reside, the general ranting of UFC boss Dana White, and the smaller American viewership of Japanese MMA, Aoki has a lot on his shoulders.  If he loses to Gilbert Melendez on American soil, not only will the cries of "overrated" be thrown in his direction, but that of Japanese MMA and Japanese fighters as well.  After all, how could Japan’s number one fighter and a man ranked by consensus at #2 in the world be defeated by anyone but Penn?  The relevance of Japanese MMA will be questioned once again and Aoki will be labeled a paper tiger, carefully constructed by nefarious Japanese promoters.  Of course, if Aoki is suddenly considered falsely appraised, God only knows where that will leave men like Hansen. 

More largely speaking, if Japanese MMA is considered able to puff-up fighters and manipulate the rankings, what of other ranked Japanese fighters who haven’t even fought Aoki?  After all, if Aoki is handily defeated in the US, what of a guy like Tatsuya Kawajiri?

A defeat for Aoki at the hands of Melendez could very well be a disaster for Japanese MMA.   DREAM’s talent stand to have a stigma attached to them with DREAM itself veering dangerously close to being considered a small pond for even smaller fish.

But what if Aoki wins? 

If anything, a dominating submission win for Aoki would give fans of the panted one and Japanese MMA something to defend themselves with.  It’ll provide them with the most solid proof yet that Aoki, and by extension all of the stars who restrict themselves to overseas competition, are just as talented as they appear to be.  It’ll be a significant step to rebuilding the confidence that was shaken by men like the now lethargic and fishing-minded Mirko Cro Cop.

But make no mistake, the reward for winning does not outweigh the cost of losing for one simple reason: Gilbert Melendez is a Strikeforce fighter who has never competed in the UFC.  In other words, a win against him will help Aoki and DREAM, but it won’t completely silence the doubters or the haters, as the same voracious pack of wolves who claim Fedor Emelianenko not to be the world’s premier heavyweight by virtue of his lack of a UFC contract will lick their lips for every punch Melendez lands.  After all, if Melendez can put Aoki in trouble, a UFC fighter like Kenny Florian would surely murder him.   Right?  Anything less than a dominating win will give the dogs their scraps, a loss would give them a feast, and even a solid win may only give rise to a shrug of the shoulders.

Regardless, this is a fight Shinya Aoki cannot lose and it is without a doubt the most important fight of his career.  On the night he steps into the cage opposite Melendez, he will not merely be Shinya Aoki; he will be Japanese MMA. 

The good news is, I’m pretty sure he knows this.  After all, he did identify himself as a "Japanese fighter" above all else and on April 17th, for better or for worse, the world will find out what that means.

 

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Ohh...well done...

There are some variables that could give Aoki some ‘outs’ if you will….if he decides to not use the George Sotiropoulos method of covering his legs…it’ll be his first time fighting in a cage….

But you are right…if he loses to Melendez(who I have at #10)….that would hurt Aoki something terrible and make the Japanese scene look pretty bad…

If Aoki wins…as you said…he only beat the #10 guy….and still hasn’t fought the ‘best’ that are in the UFC to most people…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 4, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

I think if he handles Melendez it will be a benefit to him. Just proving that he can fight in a cage, in a hostile environment, and without his magic pants will be enough. A loss would look bad, but the same can be said about any of the UFC lightweights as well minus BJ. I am very interested to see what happens.

by xDieseLx on Mar 4, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Really Good Write-Up

I agree with you that most MMA fans will say that Aoki is a “papper tiger.” Those people are just plain dumb. Those are the same people that think his grappling ability is dirived from his coloerful pants. This is a horriable match-up for Aoki, and I can not tell how dissapointed I am that Kawajiri didn’t get a crack at Aoki. So fing pissed. It should be Kawajiri fighting Melendez not Aoki. I hate you Dream….

by Erich Vowell on Mar 4, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO

I love Kawajiri..in fact…I wish he would come over and fight in the states.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 4, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

God

so do I…So do I. We can only hope Dream has pissed him off some much that he will leave Japan.

by Erich Vowell on Mar 4, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a shame Diego went back up to WW

It would’ve never happened anyway, but just the thought of Sanchez/Kawajiri is nuts.

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by Alex_Evans on Mar 4, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for reading

I’m actually very surprised that this match is even happening, to be honest. I really didn’t think Aoki would leave Japan. I remember during SF’s last big event (can’t remember if it was CBS or Miami) where they interviewed him about fighting Melendez and he said something like “maybe it’ll happen in Japan.” The risks are just so astronomical.

As far as Aoki not having his magic pants….I don’t mean this negatively, but Aoki has proven himself a master of using the rules to his advantage. I would not at all be surprised to see him pull the Sotiropoulos trick.

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by Alex_Evans on Mar 4, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

I would not at all be surprised to see him pull the Sotiropoulos trick.

If he’s smart he will…I’ve been harping on guys doing what Sotiropoulos is doing since forever…lol…I can’t believe more of them don’t do it.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 4, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Frank Mir has done it recently as well.

by xDieseLx on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

even Tim Sylvia used to do it!!!

Check the ankles and knees….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 5, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Aoki is one-dimensional

But that one dimension is so, so tremendous. I mean really, that guy has some BJJ that’s just soul-draining. Problem is that sometimes you can’t get it down right, or something happens, and you get popped in the mouth. That becomes an even bigger problem when you’re a guy like Aoki who has a tendency to melt under pressure; best-in-class BJJ is great, but with below-average standup (if any) and a lack of toughness, he’ll always be that guy who will either get TKO’d or submitting people.

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by -Neil- on Mar 5, 2010 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

I think this could look a lot like the second JZ fight but Aoki does have a subpar chin and Melendez has five rounds to crack it. I favor Aoki slightly and quite frankly i’d like to see Kawajiri beat him while he’s holding two belts.

by Joey Woods on Mar 5, 2010 3:59 AM EST reply actions  

Aoki may beat Melendez but he has no serious future in the US as a champion. There are just too many guys with amazing wrestling credentials and striking, not the least of whom is Gilbert Melendez.

If you want a template for how a grappler can be successful in MMA, look at how hard Demian Maia has been training to evolve his game. In just a couple years his boxing looks SHARP. I can’t say that Shinya Aoki has been working that hard on his weaknesses; his ground game is tight but it’s still not as world-class as some people would think. He’s got nice submissions against opponents who are in too deep of waters to handle him on the ground. If you look at Aoki’s fight against Ribeiro he knew enough to avoid the ground game as much as possible. He would have the same problem against somebody like BJ who knows his way around someone like Aoki. Standing with BJ would be an instant loss.

If he doesn’t start improving every single fight like all the top fighters do (just think GSP, Nate Marquardt, Anderson Silva, etc. They all improve heavily every time you see them.) he’s going to hit a road block in his career eventually. I’m a big fan of Shinya, so I hope he gets passed Gilbert Melendez.

by Daniel Faust on Mar 5, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Yea..

he would have problems with the wrestlers here in the states….also..welcome to the site Daniel.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 5, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

i think shinya if given the chance after sforce, will come to ufc to fight bj. i don’t doubt shinya when he says he wants bj…not like frankie edgar who’s like….“bj’s great at everything. i think i can beat him.”

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by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

and shinya vs bj is like a bjj guy’s wet dream for a fight.

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

only thing is

BJ would probably just keep it standing and take his head off.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 5, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by -Neil- on Mar 5, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Gilbert is going to win

But i know BJ would destroy old fruit pants

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by BJPennfan on Mar 7, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

In a lot of ways Aoki is in the same position Lidell was when he first came to Pride

Chuck had the weight of the UFC and American MMA on his shoulders and he lost. Afterwards Pride was indisputably the top promotion In the eyes of the hardcore and the international fan, something that many already expected. But on the domestic front, it didn’t really matter. Chuck blossomed into the biggest star the sport had ever seen stateside and the UFC became bigger than ever with him as their figure head. Then the UFC bought Pride and the argument was dead. I see a similar thing happening for Aoki. If he wins we can expect him to challenge the best America has to offer, maybe even the elites lightweights in the UFC as well. But if he loses its not likely to hurt his stock irrevocably in Japan. He’ll likely come home to Kawajiri and if he wins and continues his reign of terror he can still be a poster boy for Japan. It will only be us Western internet fans that will think less of him and Dream.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 7, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

welcome to the site hlebtasic
If he wins we can expect him to challenge the best America has to offer, maybe even the elites lightweights in the UFC as well.

I disagree..while beating Melendez would be a feather in his cap…there’s a ton of guy stateside that would give Aoki huge problems….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 7, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The Part that sucks

is if he loses to Melendez and in his next fight he loses to Kawajiri it cheapens Kawajiri’s win. With Kawajiri’s terriable luck I’m sure it will happen. Strikeforce can you please bring Kawajiri stateside to show how good this guy really is.

by Erich Vowell on Mar 7, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

Kawajiri would give him the business regardless IMO.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 7, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It would to Americans

But I don’t think the Japanese fans would really care, which is who really matters for Dream.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 7, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

my thing is

IF Aoki were to beat Melendez….could SF get him to come back and defend the title….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 7, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough Call

I think his contract is going to run out thins year. Aoki wants to come stateside bad and I don’t think he will renew with Dream. If his stock doesn’t drop to far we could see him in the UFC next year.

by Erich Vowell on Mar 7, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

when b.j. penn fights aoki he will use the same hammerlock to break aoki's arm.

hopefully it’s the one he uses his middle finger with.

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