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UFC 111 Aftermath: The Blueprint To Beat Frank Mir 2.0 Has Been Cast

Shane Carwin(left) Folds Frank Mir At UFC 111

Actually, it was made at UFC 100 by Brock Lesnar, but Cheick Kongo's skill-set didn't have the proper attributes to be effective at UFC 107. 

I don't know who coined the term Frank Mir 2.0, but I like it and we'll use that to identify just what that means.  Essentially, it's just Frank Mir has gotten a lot bigger in the past year and has new some found power in his hands for the most part.  The size was as a result of getting destroyed by Brock Lesnar at UFC 100.  Mir felt that he needed to bulk up so that he could compete with the behemoth's of the UFC heavyweight division in Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez, and Junior Dos Santos. 

It's weird that Mir has put on all this size and extra muscle, only to have the same thing happen at UFC 111 that happened at UFC 100.

The only difference was that Carwin did it standing up while pinning Mir against the cage and not on the ground as Lesnar did.  The scary part about it is that Mir had NO answer for it.  I know Carwin's a big boy, but it's almost like Mir made no effort to move from against the cage.  He just allowed Carwin to land those meat hooks for fists into his forehead which opened up a cut early in the fight. 

Frank Mir can either submit you on the ground or knock you out with his hands.  

Carwin did something very smart in that he negated Mir's striking advantage while closing the distance and clinching with him.  Not only did that take away Mir's ability to strike, but it allowed Carwin to get close enough to drop those hammers on Mir without risking anything in return.  As we all know, it doesn't take many shots from a legitimate heavyweight to put anyone away and we got to witness that first hand this past weekend.  So this strategy takes away Mir's ability to use one of his weapons, (which is his boxing that may be over-hyped).  Carwin's hands are so low and he leaves that chin out there asking to be hit, so that why I thought Mir had the advantage there.

Now, if we go back to UFC 100 we'll see that Lesnar took away Mir's ability to use his submissions while they were on the ground.  Lesnar essentially stayed chest to chest on Mir, which didn't allow Mir any space to move his hips to obtain full guard where he could mount any type of offense on the ground.  It's very simply strategy, but when you walk around at close to 300lbs it's very effective. 

So in a nutshell, all you have to do is basically 'crowd' Mir on the feet or on the ground and you can defeat one of the best heavyweights out there?  That's what it looks like, and it'll be interesting to see who they'll match Mir with next.  Personally, I'd love for them to do Junior Dos Santos vs. Frank Mir next.  JDS has a different skill-set, but he's a big heavyweight that could possibly dominant Frank Mir in the clinch as he did against Mirko Cro Cop. 

It appears the cast has been made, will Frank Mir make the necessary adjustments?  It doesn't appear to me that adding size was the answer in his case.  What say you?   

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Adding size is one thing – it doesn’t translate to functional strength like that though… wrestling is etched into Brock Lesnar’s muscle memory.

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by 3PA on Mar 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed

Big difference in pressing and lifting weight that’s evenly distributed…opposed to things like sandbags, etc. Which is where Mir went wrong IMO.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Wrestling

Wrestling is where frank goes wrong. he has devastating submissions and probably the best boxing skills in the ufc HW division besides maybe dos santos. he is one of the only ufc HW that can knock you silly on the feet and pull off crazy submissions….. but his kryptonite is his wrestling. if mir was a good wrestler he would probably be the champ right now but he focus’s to much on boxing and jujitsu and as of recently strength. where as if he wants to beat carwin lesnar and cain ( assuming he doesnt get lucky with a punch before a take down or clinch) he isnt going to do very well. if he does the 80/20 rule and trains 80% wrestling and 20% everything else hes already good at we would have a monster on our hands. mir 3.0 maybe? but in reality i think mir as open minded as he claims to be i think he is to stubborn to work on what appears to be his only weakness and the only way he losses, from a wrestler getting him stuffed against a cage. strength wasnt the probelm on saturday it was mirs wrestling technique. he should have had his head facing the arm that was locked up brought his hips in closer to carwins and try to keep carwin off balance. mir seemed too relaxed and didnt seem to try to improve his position. i hope he learns from his mistakes finally so we can see more exciting fights from him.

by kreatorofpain on Mar 29, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

good insight..and welcome to the site kreatorofpain

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 29, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that
he has devastating submissions and probably the best boxing skills in the ufc HW division besides maybe dos santos. he is one of the only ufc HW that can knock you silly on the feet and pull off crazy submissions

His striking was proven against a guy with notoriously bad defense (big Nog), and a guy who dropped his hand (Kongo) to eat a big punch. I won’t doubt his sub skills, but he’s not some flying armbar or gogoplatta guy either. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, but his greatness lately has been a byproduct of his opponents and his loud mouth.

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by -Neil- on Mar 29, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best boxing skills in the HW division? Easy there buddy. Mir has sub-par boxing skills. He has 2 combinations that he uses repeatedly.

by Lucas2 on Mar 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel real bad for Mir

He just can’t seem to get firing on all cylinders. I hope he can get it all worked out, he’s a very talented fighter it’s damn I don’t know I was at a loss for words after the fight, just to see someone work that hard to improve and it still not make a lick of differnece is really disheartening. If I were him I would hit Randy up to train he’s the only one I seen that had an answer for Brock’s wrestling. And was I the only one that felt the stoppage was late on that fight?

by doonerthesooner on Mar 29, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

It was mos def late.

While I enjoyed seeing Mir get pounded because I think he is a humongous douche I always cringe when I see someone take unnecessary punishment. Big Dan is a pretty clumsy ref overall.

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by 3PA on Mar 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at a loss for words after the fight, just to see someone work that hard to improve and it still not make a lick of differnece is really disheartening.

It appears he just went at it the wrong way though….I don’t ever recall seeing him working any sprawls in training…or training for being put against the cage….all I say was him deadlifting weights that were evenly distributed…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 29, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, you aint the only one. Mirgliotta just sucked all night. As for Frank, I believed he took Carwin serious and worked real hard. I just think his problem seems to be poor game planning.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Mar 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be interested in JDS vs. Mir for two reasons:
1. Because SOMEONE has to test JDS’ ground game in the UFC…
2. I’m interested in seeing what would happen if Junior dos Santos DOESN’T follow the “wrestleboxer” anti-Mir blueprint and instead gets into a long-range shootout.

by Chortles on Mar 29, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d be interested in JDS vs. Mir for two reasons:
1. Because SOMEONE has to test JDS’ ground game in the UFC…

Well…that’s not guaranteed to happen..since Mir has awful take downs…and JDS sure as hell ain’t gonna take him down…he might knock him down though…lol.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sorry but that’s a big reach imo, nothing that Carwin or Lesnar did against Mir was similar at all. Carwin took a play out of the Couture playbook and fought unlike alot of his other fights. It was very smart and devestating but nothing like what Lesnar did by taking Frank down and working from the half guard to the surprise of many who thought that he wanted nothing of Mir from the top. The only similarity was a brilliant gameplan that led to win, I don’t see either men doing the same thing in a rematch with Mir since he himself is a very smart fighter who is always looking to improve.

by Raker on Mar 29, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

How was it not similar

Both Carwin and Lesnar kept themselves glued to Mir….not allowing him anyway to strike(Carwin)…not allowing him and space to work for subs(Lesnar)…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 29, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing that im worried about since i am a mir fan is that he will lose focus and show up to his next fight out of shape and not well trained. after this lose. i hope this lose drives him further to get better at wrestling and he should hook up with couture and train with him. he has great hands and submissions and if he was with couture he would have great wrestling. i dont think he should give up on strength training though. he should continue to work with phillipii

by kreatorofpain on Mar 29, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t Carwin nearly KO Mir with short upper-cuts in the clinch, then follow him to the ground and pound him out while he was trying to roll and retain guard? That’s how I remember the fight going but I haven’t re-watched it.

by Lucas2 on Mar 29, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m opposed to Mir vs Dos Santos because I don’t want Mir to be seriously hurt and to jeapordize his career. I think he deserves a slightly easier fight, like Mir vs the winner of Nelson/Struve.

Meanwhile, I’m really annoyed by the UFC decision to have bench Velasquez in anticipation of a title shot. The ONLY sensible match-up for JDS right now is against Cain. Anything else is a serious drop in competition for Junior.

by klown on Mar 30, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

the youth of both guys is the major factor there…they’ll fight in due time…for higher stakes prolly as well.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 30, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Time for Nogeira - Mir 2

Both are coming off losses. Both are out of the title mix. A win puts one of them back in.

Mir will either validate his UFC 92 win, or Nogeira will prove it was the result of him showing up at less than 100%.

JDS makes no sense for Mir. MIr’s lost 2 of his last 3. JDS is undefeated. Mir should have to earn another W before taking on a title contender on the clilmb.

by pancakehead on Mar 30, 2010 2:13 AM EDT reply actions  

ehh

it would be a good time for Mir/Nogueira…but JDS/Mir makes a lot of sense….since they aren’t going to do JDS/Velasquez…anyone else besides Mir would be a step down for JDS.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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