The Ring vs. The Cage: A Dissertation
As infuriated as mixed martial arts enthusiasts might get upon hearing MMA referred to simply as UFC (cough-Yahoo Sports website-cough), we must admit the even more derogatory term is "cage fighting".
Cage fighting denotes barbarism, an animalistic contest that can only be contained by a fence of chicken wire. It can easily be assumed that in the 1990s John McCain railed against "cage fighting" rather than mixed martial arts, a term uncommon until the UFC’s ascension in the mid-2000s.
Although the Octagon that has been the defining feature of the UFC since its inception in 1993 is truly the most prominent symbol of MMA in North America, it is much less so on the international fight scene. Across the Pacific Ocean, the legendary white ring of Pride Fighting Championships set the tone, with major players DREAM, Sengoku, DEEP, and SHOOTO all following suit with its use.
The squared ring has been proven the quintessential combat platform, with boxing’s long tradition making it ubiquitous and even K-1 and other kickboxing outfits reestablishing it as ideal for modern striking. But with the advent of mixed martial arts, combat arenas had to take grappling into account; wrestlers, judoka, and jiu-jitsu players would all be factors in this new sport. Thus, the necessity for a more enclosed area arose and the nascent UFC’s answer was the Octagon: sheets of chicken wire wrapped around eight padded poles.
But with this new arena came baggage: the images—however unrelated—of chicken fights, dogfights, back alley brawls and escaped convicts went unrestrained until Zuffa and Dana White arrived on the scene to begin the streamlining of MMA. The first time I saw it, I believe on an Outside the Lines special when I was very young, I immediately thought of the Bob's Country Bunker scene from "Blues Brothers". These things are a stigma still attached to the sport in the minds of some, and it will likely never be shaken.
As the sport grows, the question exists: how much will this integral part of MMA hinder the development of a mainstream following? Older generations are so conditioned to watching fight sports in the squared ring, and even professional wrestling, that simply having the matches between ropes and turnbuckles might make it "more acceptable." But take away the cage and gone is not only the best fighting enclosure known to the sport, but also the signature image of the UFC.
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I like both
Only thing I dislike about the ring is the falling through the ropes, weather accidental or intentional.
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Unless the falling through is like this

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by _Felix_ on Mar 24, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should add
that the it also makes a significant difference for certain fighters, i.e. Cro Cop and Wanderlei who were primarily kickboxers and used the 90 degree angles substantially during their heyday. It was tangental to my main point, so I left it out.
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I think it's really funny when people compare it to cock fighting
Because you can get two chickens fighting in a boxing ring just the same as you could a cage. Does it make it seem barbaric? Maybe, but at the end of the day you’ve got a ton of people watching two-dudes trying to maul eachother, so whether it’s a cage or ring I’d say the people watching are the barbarians.
On a more serious note though, if they could figure out a way to keep people from falling out of a ring, that’d be great. You get a better vantage as a fan, and the corners make it fun for strikers to catch people. For the grapplers? I’d say the ring is so, so terrible.
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IMO
The cage is much better than the ring…..I hate MMA in rings….
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I agree
I dont like watching the dream matches when the have to restart u in the middel of the ring! It takes away the momentum of the fight. I also dont like how the refs outside of the ring are always swatting the guys hands aways from the ropes, It seems like they do it more to the non japanese fighters .
stop resetting the action
any thing they can do to keep the action going is good for the sport. Any positives from a ring( I can’t think of any) are far outweighed by the negatives. For example as much as I enjoyed seeing Rampage laid out stiff as a board on the ropes it looks far more dangerous seeing a fighter get knocked out and have the possibility of falling out of the ring. Also not positive about this one but there is a good chance Yvel never woulda knocked out that Ref if they didn’t have to keep resetting the action
by doonerthesooner on Mar 24, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
What do you guys think about the live viewing experience?
I’ve never been to a boxing match or MMA even that took place in a ring, but I have been to the Royal Rumble in 2002. I also went to UFC 88 in Atlanta at the same venue (Phillips). I had comparable seats, not on the floor but not high up either, probably about 25-30 yards away from the ring/cage each time. And I’ll tell you, the viewing experience for the ring is significantly better. The cage screens all of the action to a degree, the pillars are frustrating, and the 10 camera guys around it don’t help. I’d actually have preferred “worse” seats, a little higher up so I could see into the top of the cage. My dad basically shilled out a pretty penny for my birthday present of me watching a giant screen in the top of the arena.
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I competly agree with this.
I have seen alot of shows both in the ring and in the cage. And by far visually the ring is much, much better. In the long run it won’t matter. People just get used to it and find something else to bitch about.
by Erich Vowell on Mar 24, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been to both
I still prefer the cage…I absolutely hate the re-starts in the ring…I was at UFC 88 as well…was in the nosebleeds pretty much..but it was worth the experience for the atmosphere.
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having watched fighting in both and competed in both, The cage is far better.
The pace is constant in a cage while the ropes really get in the way in a ring. It takes a different skill set fighting off ropes to fighting off the cage.
The second major difference is the angles. In a ring it is far to easy to control a fight with the corners. Because of the right angles, cutting off a ring is very easy, and does not provide a good balance for stand up and grappling fighters.
The main negative of a cage from a fans perspective is of course the corner pads. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. They are overly large and create horrible viewing angles. The only reason, i can see for the extremely large pads is to A, give more sponsorship space, and B possibly to further cut down the angles the corners make.
Either way I believe there could be a solution with out creating such an obstruction to ones view.
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I definitely prefer the ring. There are obviously positives and negatives for both.
For me, one of the sticking points is that the cage leads to way too much hugging. Randy wouldn’t be able to smother a guy against the ropes for almost an entire round. Open it up and stop leaning on a fence.
I guess I’m just old school but there’s something appealing about getting a guy backed up into the corner (you know, an actual corner) rather than a fence.
To each his/her own.
by The Real T-Bone on Mar 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
A fighters/fans preference
I started out wrestling in middle school and continued through the high level college competition and from day one there was a edge barrier that i ha to observe. I started my MMA career in a cage and LOVE the “no escaping” wires barrier. I have spent a lot of time recently fighting in rings (Wild Bill’s in ATL, Fight Night for Kids with Fight Lab) and feel just as comfortable in the ring as a cage. it does change some things and may lead to a new challenge for an explosive wrestler and even a disqualification (example: me elbowing Brett Chism on the judges table haha) but all fighters should be. as a fighter i am more comfortable in a cage where no one (including Brett) can escape.
As a fan i love the ring. it makes a more even fight for those lacking in the wrestling department. in a live event the 8 post covers (or more in an octagon) block the view of a lot of action. everyone has missed a KO or submission behind those big pads. a lot of promoters are going to the hexagon (fight lab is already on board). bigger panels, no UFC copyright on that shape yet and its easier to see. unless you are at home watching the PPV events or a recording it is just too covered up to see.
all summed up… ring fan and cage figher
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by Johnny Buck "Nasty" on Mar 25, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
well said sir
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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 25, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This debate is tired and was put to bed years ago.
Back in the day there were all the PRIDE vs UFC debates. They were all dumb, they were either all for UFC and it’s idiosyncrasies or they were for PRIDE’s. Thankfully we’ve moved on and those debates raise their ugly heads much less frequently.
It’s not even a matter of older people being more comfortable with the cage. I’m 49 years old and in general much prefer the cage from a fighter’s milieu perspective. Of course I realize rings are much better from a visual perspective but they take too much away from the fight itself as has been hashed over ad infinitum.

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