Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Identifying The 19th-Best Team In Baseball

Should Strikeforce Drop The Challenger Series Events?

Strikeforce

I think so.  I understand the events are used to provide fights for fighters that Strikeforce is trying to mold as well as showcasing certain fighters that could become very good fighters like Tyron Woodley.  However, I just don't see where Strikeforce is reaping any benefits from putting on these events.  I mean they had amateur fighters fighting on the under-card of the last ShoMMA event with fighters like Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro sitting on the sidelines.  Check it:

1.  These shows don't draw in a huge audience at all on Showtime.  The viewers that do tune in are hard core fans, fans that are going to watch regardless.

2.  These are rough figures, but the figures I foundon each show attendance wise was usually around 2,300 or so.  One ShoMMAevent did get over 4,000 fans once, but the live gates for the shows bring in around $85K or so on average. 

Star-divide

I know Strikeforce is hellbent on doing twenty shows this year, but when over half of them consist of shows like this does that really count?  How are they benefiting from these shows?  My thinking is that Strikeforce should do 12 shows a year with 4 of those shows airing on CBS.  That would mean one CBS event per quarter,  and roughly one Strikeforce event per month.  Just stop trying to do too much too fast and concentrate on quality instead of quantity.  Check it:

-This would provide some much needed structure with a roster that's still not quite as deep as it needs to be to accomplish what they want to accomplish(20 shows). 

-This would also allow them to finalize fights well before the fact, and allow them to schedule replacements when injuries occur. 

-This would allow them to properly promote events that will air on Showtime and help build some brand awareness amongst the promotion and its fighters.  Just to illustrate, fans will become accustomed to a Strikeforce card on the 2nd weekend of every month(if they chose the second week). 

-This would allow them to cut unnecessary costs and time spent with putting on events that no one is really interested in and allow the events they do put on to feature the very best fighters they have available.

I really want this promotion to succeed, and I just don't see the need for these challenger events.  I mean what casual fan knows there is a Strikeforce event on March 26th that'll be headlined by Lavar Johnson vs. Lolohea Mahe?  So I'm ask you the fan.

Poll
What Should Strikeforce Do With Their Challenger Series Events?
Keep Doing Them
32 votes
I think you have a valid point
7 votes
I could care less about these events
14 votes

53 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 27 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I think the point of the Challengers cards is that they’re paying these dudes practically nothing, in venues where it’s cheap, so you’ve got a TV product that is done with little investment. Yeah, they need to focus on the established fighters that they’ve got, and yeah they’re filling the undercards of their real cards with amateurs.. but that just means they’re not thinking, not that they should kill off Challengers.

Live previews and reviews of all major fights!
LightsOutRadio.com

by -Neil- on Mar 16, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

but

what’s the point of doing these events….nobody watching these jawns..it’s not helping them…

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not

But with the money they’re putting into it, it’s not like they’re losing out.

Live previews and reviews of all major fights!
LightsOutRadio.com

by -Neil- on Mar 16, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they are losing out

They could put on a better quality show(better fighters, more promotion) and it would actually help them instead of doing nothing for them…

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would, but they won't

So if it’s between having a small show and big show, or just a big show by it’s lonesome, I pick the pair. I mean, there’s no reason they couldn’t be doing Challengers, Strikeforce, and an in-between so that they use the talent they’ve got locked down. There’s also no reason that they should have amateurs on their undercard. But that’s just the way it is.

Live previews and reviews of all major fights!
LightsOutRadio.com

by -Neil- on Mar 16, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They may cost more money than they make for Strikeforce, but the exposure and brand-building that they are doing on Showtime could be priceless in the long-term.

by Daniel Faust on Mar 16, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Did yall read all of it?

How can you build a brand when the people that are watching….are going to watch regardless…and the number of people that are watching is very very small?

Also…why not do like I said…instead of all these little wack shows…do ONE per month…promote it better and put better fighters on it?

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Challengers cards. Kennedy, Woodley, Cormier, Rockhold…

I’m interested in seeing Galvao fight – he’s on the upcoming card.

I have Showtime so to me, it’s free MMA w/o all the commercials that would show up on CBS.

From a business standpoint, I don’t know. After all, I think fans should be shown the ENTIRE card if they buy a PPV…so what do I know.

I hope they keep it going though…having 20 shows rather than 12 is cool by me. Plus there’s no guarantee cutting costs would help their marketing skills anyway.

At least Zuffa doesn’t bother going head to head with Challenger shows…or feel threatened by them.

by The Real T-Bone on Mar 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

yea

but take the mindset of a casual fan….would you be interested in these cards? See you one of the people that will tune in regards..hell I’m one of them…but if we the only ones watching….well…doesn’t do them any good…lol.

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it does me good. :)

Out of curiosity, by casual fan, do you mean the guys at the bar who yell “this is gay” when it hits the ground and the ones who think Brock is the bestest eva? JUST BLEED! :)

by The Real T-Bone on Mar 16, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

casual fan is anyone that doesn’t know there’s a Strikeforce event on March 26th…but will watch MMA if it’s on…

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

me and my freinds often wonder what makes a person a hard core fan and a casual fan? anyone got an answer for me?

by #1 piggy on Mar 16, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think someone who comes to these sites many times a day is considered hard core, but can u be considered hard core if u never come to these mma sites?

by #1 piggy on Mar 16, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

my reply up above your last statement is a good definition….yea, if you frequent sites like this one…odds are you are not a casual fan.

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always ordered every event and watched every mma event before i got interenet, and i considered my sefl a hardcore fan. But now i am on another level. so i gues there are different levels of hardcore fans out there.

by #1 piggy on Mar 16, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

you could say that…I mean…you could order every MMA event…and still only be a casual fan IMO..

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, i love my free mma

not going to bitch about that, i cant get enough of it. plus i like to see the young talent u wouldnt normaly see, its awesome, I will be pissed if they take it away.

by #1 piggy on Mar 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont mind the shows.

But they need to have them earlier then that 11pm bull-shizzle.

@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner

by _Felix_ on Mar 16, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

this is true

the 11 start time is KILLA.

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Kelvin

I would LOVE to see Strikeforce put on like 6-8 cards a year and make them as stacked as possiable. People would take notice and bitch about why the UFC doesn’t do that.

by Erich Vowell on Mar 16, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

The more stacked the better. No UFC 109’s!!!!

@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner

by _Felix_ on Mar 16, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep them

the last challengers mearly got 200,000 viewers thats way more exposure they would get anywhere else ya no casuals watch it but that ok that why they have their big ones on showtime and huge on cbs.as for amatuers on prelims that was just for the last show cuz it was a 3000 seat building so amaruers are free so they profited

by ndzzy on Mar 16, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

hell yeah

200,000 thousand is not a bad number considering that showtime is not available in as many homes as say verus.

by #1 piggy on Mar 16, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

welcome to the site ndzzy

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 16, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

when some of those guys like woodley come up to the big show, they’ve got footage they own, stuff they can refer to, clips they can use, and just like boxing after dark or espn’s friday night fights, it’s grassroots and good for that fanbase that tunes into everything, likes to watch prospects. it’s like a TV version of regional shows in our state. you have some guys you fill the card with, but a handful you’re actively trying to build into local draws thru tickets etc….only difference is, strikeforce has a bigger show to graduate them to eventually.

i’m always in support of something that’s smaller end, grass roots. forgetting about these types of shows is what killed boxing (and tv as a whole)

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 17, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not saying forget these type of shows

just to put better fighters on it and better promotional efforts behind it….

http://www.mmaforreal.com
Follow Me On Twitter@MMA4Real

by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 17, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"Those Who Follow The Crowd Usually Get Lost In It"

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Recent Posts


Managers

Getattachment_small Kelvin Hunt

Example-spartanhead_small Matt Bishop

Editors

Small Charles Walker

Contributors

Jose-aldo_small Rich Wyatt

Princeton_shield_small Anthony Pace