UFC 120 Aftermath: Michael Bisping Takes Lackluster Decision, Dan Hardy and John Hathaway Fall to Americans… Can Britain Produce a UFC Champion?
Despite it's earnest efforts to produce one, the UFC's coveted British champion seems as distant as ever following UFC 120. Dan Hardy (23-8), fresh off a blowout loss to welterweight champ Georges St. Pierre, disrespected the striking of Carlos Condit (26-5) and found himself gazing at the lights with a first-round knockout defeat. Britain's Next Great Hope, young John Hathaway (14-1), also lost in the 170lb division via the smothering grappling of mid-tier veteran Mike Pyle (21-7-1). It was an ugly decision victory for Kyle, who notched the first blemish on the record of the young and very hyped Hathaway.
In the main event of the evening, Michael Bisping (20-3) ate stiff power shots from Yoshihiro Akiyama (13-3) en route to a clear, if rather pedestrian, decision victory. Bisping was the lone hometown star to score a win on the main card, yet it did little to provide any evidence he might be a worthy contender for the middleweight title. As for the two defeated welterweights, last night indicated that their reputations are largely fluff. It's even more apparent now that Hardy was unworthily thrown into a title fight, and Hathaway is still years away from adequately improving the poorer aspects of his game (takedown defense, counterstriking, activity off his back).
Bisping continues to prove how far ahead of the division Anderson Silva remains despite a fairly comfortable win against the judoka Akiyama. After a first round in which Akiyama landed multiple power punches, Bisping settled into a rhythm and delivered a Klitchsko-esque performance, using his reach and staying active to land solid combinations. His conditioning was far superior to Akiyama's, who was totally flat-footed and had dropped his guard by Round 3. Still, Akiyama was able to frequently land flailing power shots on Bisping due to the Brit's stiff defensive posture and propensity to neglect lateral movement in heavy exchanges.
Bisping is largely the same fighter we've seen for the past two years, and I think that is a severe indictment of the training centers to which Britain's top fighters are beholden. He has numerous bad habits he either refuses to or cannot shake: the aforementioned stiffness; circling into his opponents' power hand; diving in for takedowns that eliminate his reach advantage and expose him to short power punches. He's been able to get away with these flaws against mid-tier opponents such as Dan Miller, Denis Kang, and barely against Akiyama. Against fighters who can consistently break through his reach advantage, however, he will always struggle.
Furthermore, it's obvious that Britain's top MMA camps have left John Hathaway - in last night's fight - and Dan Hardy - in his previous two fights - woefully unprepared for mixed martial artists with prowess in more than one facet of fighting. Hathaway looked helpless off his back and Hardy thought his boxing would trounce the well-rounded Condit. Neither of them provided the raucous London crowd anything worth cheering. TUF Winner James Wilks (7-4) didn't even have his fight aired (despite being on the main card) after dropping a unanimous decision to Claude Patrick (13-1).
The UFC has pushed British fighters to the top of the company in a concerted effort to produce an elite star from the nation, a replica of Georges St. Pierre from across the pond. No matter how Dana White spins it, there can be no doubt that the British MMA talent cultivated via The Ultimate Fighter (Ross Pearson, James Wilks, take your pick) are far from elite, and camps such as Woflslair, Team Roughhouse, and London Shootfighters aren't molding the Bispings and the Hardys and the Paul Daleys of the world into anything resembling championship material. If Dana White expects a British fighter to rise to the top of the UFC anytime soon, he's even more delusional than I've previously thought.
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Now this is what I'm talking about
I think that Bisping isn’t really the product of his trainers, as much as he’s a product of his own desire. It doesn’t seem like he’s really that into changing much, and it doesn’t matter whether he’s training under me or the greatest men in the world, he’ll always be where he’s at. But hey, where he’s at today will probably carry him for quite a while, so it’s money in his pocket either way.
Big ups for the article, but in all fairness though, I’m pretty sure a headline isn’t supposed to be quite so long.
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haha, it's able about them Google points
trying to cram as much searchable material as possible into the headline.
As to Bisping, it does speak a bit to his arrogance that he seems to think his skills are currently good enough for him to reach the top of the division, even though that’s far from the truth.s
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, it’s able about them Google points trying to cram as much searchable material as possible into the headline.
I’ve got to assume you mean “about”, but yeah, no. Google doesn’t quite work like that, and even more so when the page title is a short paragraph. When you’re going on search stuff, less is much, much more.
But yeah, I think his arrogance does have something to do with it. I’ve got to wonder though, if he really buys into his own hype.. like, does he REALLY believe what he’s saying? Is he that conceded that he REALLY believes that his only real loss was to Hendo? I’m curious.
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I have no idea how the internet works
My main problem with him is something that my dad always said — Don’t complain above your pay grade. For Bisping, he is a fringe top-10 fighter who runs his mouth like his last five fights have been title bouts. No, Michael, they haven’t. If his MMA ability caught up with his mouth, I’d have no issue with him. That’s the difference between guys like him and guys like Sonnen and Koscheck.
He seems to really believe that he dominated Silva. He’s delusional to not realize that ten more seconds at the end of either the 2nd or 3rd round and he would’ve been unconcious.
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 17, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Basicly, less is more. A big-ass title dilutes it’s relevancy; it’s like water in Kool-aid, you can add more and have more to splash around, but too much and it’s not worth it. Having a half-dozen words means each word is weighted twice as much as if you had a dozen, and is relegated lower in the search results.
Well let’s not go TOO crazy on the Sonnen talk, but I like your dad’s analogy. I mean, I’m all for someone making noise for themselves or their promotion, but being absurd is just that. I don’t mind Dan Hardy talking like he’s a killer, because when he loses he shows humility and admits fault, where Bisping.. well, aparantly he’s undefeated.
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What part of Bispings decision W was lackluster?
Bisping went out there and put on a great fight. I hate Michael as much as the next guy but I’m thinking he could beat Okami right now.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 18, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Akiyama was able to frequently land flailing power shots on Bisping due to the Brit’s stiff defensive posture and propensity to neglect lateral movement in heavy exchanges
It was a clear win, but nothing impressive.
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
For Bisping it was Impressive.
Akiyama has good hand speed even when he’s gassed, he just forgets how to move.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 18, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with some of this but think you've been a bit harsh about Bisping
Hathaway showed a massive lack of wrestling/bjj skills in his fight and looks like he could need years to get to hte level his hype suggested he was at. Hardy is better than he was last night but picked an awful game plan just sitting in the pocket against someone like Condit but I think the fact he lasted all 5 rounds against GSP (despite losing everyone of them) showed he is a top fighter. Bisping did alright last night and did rock Akiyama before the kick to the groin, but I agree the like of Rough House and The Wolfslair may be ok for local fighters moving up the regional scene but I think the time has come for the Brits to move abroad to train in the US or elsewhere. I think its also worth pointing out how Rampage Jackson seems to have become a one-dimensional boxer since he started training over here in the UK, what happened to the slams Quinton?
Jaunito Ibarra might be a slimy manager
but he had Rampage firing on all cylinders for about 2 years before he went to Wolfslair
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 17, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to the slams?
People started sagging out of the positions he used to set them up (straight armbar defense, in-progress triangle choke). Ever watch that video of Brock Lesnar breaking Hardcore Holly’s neck? It’s the same principle. You can only truly power-slam someone if they’re in some way resisting you, keeping their core muscles taught and rigid.
I remember Forrest just sagging out of one during their fight, I think? Rampage went on Sport Science to prove that his slams are the most devastating blow in all of pro sports, and everyone stopped playing with him.
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by misterjonez on Oct 17, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and they showed James Wilks fight over here....
It was awful, just awful. Wilks showed no attacking prowness save a couple of half arsed sub attempts, patrick was very careful and held top position for most of the fight picking his ground and pound at the safest times which made for a slow boring spectacle. Watching the fight the few times patrick really went for it he seemed to hurt Wilks and I just wished he’d done it a bit more as he could have finished the fight, Wilks should be cut after this performance, seems all his years training in America have done him no good as he’s just not a good fighter.
He won't be cut because of TUF
but I was wondering why they didn’t show his fight in the States
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 17, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Wilks is gone. It was a terrible fight, Pace. He showed absolutely nothing. I mean, Escudero was cut and he’s got a lot more promise than Wilks. I know there was more than just performance with Escudero, but Wilks got absolutely handled. There’s no reason to keep him around. And honestly, I have to rack my brain to remember who won TUF9. Not good.
I'd be surprised if he was cut
I think Escudero’s firing had a lot to do with him being so far over weight too. 1-2 ain’t good, but it’s not often grounds for ish-canning, unless there’s something else going on.
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Was the fight really that horrible?
Haven’t seen it yet, and from the way it sounds I really don’t want to watch it.
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 17, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It was 15 minutes of Patrick absolutely dominating Wilks. He got completely owned. 30-26 on my card.
Hmm… I think they give Wilks one more fight. But it speaks volumes that they didn’t air a TUF winner on their free TV show.
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by Anthony Pace on Oct 17, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s going to be interesting to see how UK MMA develops. I don’t think anybody out of the current group is going to be a UFC champion but in a few years? Who knows.
There are some massive, gaping holes in their tactical training.
Transitions are absolutely nonexistent there. They are reasonable at tying wrists and mitigating damage from poor positions, and at least a few of them have developed passable standing cage-clinch defense, but holy cow are they absolutely helpless once someone with reasonable positional control gets a hold of them.
Bisping is probably the best out of the group at actual ground defensive technique, but he has no chin so he can’t hang out in guard bottom for very long without big-time danger.
Enough Dan ’ardy’s/Paul Daley’s, please. Let’s get some actual MIXED martial artists out of the UK.
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by misterjonez on Oct 17, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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