Thoughts On MMA Oversaturation And Organization Co-Promoting
Josh Gross over at SI wrote about the future of MMA in 2010 and Bloodyelbow's Kid Nate summed it up and and added his own commentary:
- Oversaturation of the television market. More than 100 live fight cards will be aired in 2010 -- on
Spike TV, HDNet, Showtime, Versus, CBS, Fox Sports and pay-per-view.
The UFC's refusal to co-promote means that fights that should have happened, like Randy Couture vs Fedor Emelianenko, didn't and fights that still need to happen, like B.J. Penn vs Shinya Aoki, won't. Instead we'll get B.J. Penn against the likes of Frankie Edgar, Gray Maynard, etc.
These are serious problems and I'm not feeling optimistic. Tell me why I'm wrong in the comments.
Gross comes out strongly in favor of co-promotion. I've long felt that was the future of the sport, but for a minute there in August 2009, it looked like Dana White would prove me wrong by signing Fedor Emelianenko.
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In regards to point #1, I'd be willing to bet that there's a ton of overlap between the MMA audiences on Spike, Versus, HDNet, and Showtime. CBS only features MMA once in a blue moon, and Fox Sports will begin airing the sport in April. Now the key point is a quality product, which we've yet to see consistently from anyone besides the UFC. If the UFC, Strikeforce, WEC, and Bellatorput out a quality product with good fights, I don't foresee saturation being a problem especially with the majority of these events being on FREE tv. I mean we just had TUF 10 to air an entire season around the hype of one guy that lost on the third show. However, if you take Kimbo off the show, I'd be willing to bet that the season would still have averaged about the same amount of viewers as years past(over a million viewers) and this was the 10th edition of TUF. Not to mention all of the childish antics, alcohol induced, and horrible fights we all endured through 10 seasons. People still watch the show. Now PPV is a different animal and there is room for saturation because the consumer is expected to pay for the event. However, the UFC is currently the only organization that fields PPV events. Strikeforce and the WEC are talking about it, but nothing is concrete as of right now. The odds of them doing more than 2-3 PPV events a year isn't very high either which would help limit saturation in that department.
In regards to point #2, I've never been a fan of co-promotion simply because I don't think there's a way for both promotions to prosper equally. I mean do we really think Strikeforce and M-1 split things down the middle? Just take a look at what Alistair Overeem is doing to Strikeforce while continually fighting for K-1. How does the DREAM/Strikeforce alliance help either promotion? Yes, they can exchange fighters but I don't think it's possible for fighters to become stars in that fashion. The UFC has well over the majority of the best fighters under their umbrella, as long as they keep it that way there's no need for them to co-promote in my opinion.
In regards to fights we missed out on due to the UFC unwilling to co-promote. The Fedor/Couture fight is a fight that wasn't worth co-promoting in my opinion(trust me I wrote about it at the time because I thought it was a mis-match). Also, BJ Penn fighting Frankie Edgar or Gray Maynard would probably be more competitive than Penn/Aoki. I mean could the UFC just bring Aoki in and give him a shot right off the bat against BJ Penn? No because nobody in America knows who Shinya Aoki is. They would have to introduce him to the American fans in a bout the same way they'll do Takanori Gomi. Then what if Aoki lost in his first fight? That would be that. Now Fedor would be a little different because he has fought on CBS and he has fought on PPV before, not to mention all the PRIDE footage the UFC has access to for promotional purposes. He is also recognized as the undisputed #1 HW in the world. Not to mention he would fighting one of the most recognizable faces in the sport in Brock Lesnar. They could give him a title shot right out of the gates. If he won though, would he be required to defend the UFC belt or would he just go back to Strikeforce or what?
Who's gonna pay to promote the event? Who's going to pay the salaries. Who's going to get what percentage of the live gate? Who's going to get what percentage of the PPV? What happens if your fighter beats our fighter? There's a lot more to it than just agreeing to co-promote.
Give me your thoughts on co-promoting and oversaturation in the MMA world.
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Co-promotion is utterly stupid from the UFC’s point of view. They have the vast majority of top talent and market share so co-promotion does nothing for them except cut into their profits. The UFC is already wildly successful, they don’t need co-promotion. The ones that need co-promotion are the smaller organizations like Strikeforce, Dream, Sengoku and M1. To them co-promotion is a way to leetch popularity while having the already successful company foot the bill. Fans obviously want co-promotion because we love seeing the best matchups possible and damn the long term effects to the sport.
I’d love to see Fedor vs Brock, BJ vs Aoki, GSP vs Shields and Shogun vs Mousasi but i’m perfectly fine with the UFC’s unwillingness to co-promote. The last thing we need to see is mma turn into an utter mess like boxing.
Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but you still can't
help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs...
The last thing we need to see is mma turn into an utter mess like boxing.
and I didn’t even mention that…
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 15, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Share the MMA wealth?
Wow, we are headed towards socialism indeed! (JK!!!)
But seriously, to the general “people of walmart” audience, there is only the UFC. Though fight fans may want dream matches, I cant see the UFC ever being willing to participate.
you said it best yourself kelvin, co-promotion only works when all things are equal. they are not. i read this josh gross article a few days ago and just shook my head in disbelief. the fact that kid shit or whatever his name is has decided to run with it is laughable. he’s trying to claim that fedor isn’t in the ufc b/c of the disrepectful things dana has said about fedor in the past. if this were true, why would they (m1) even bother negotiating with the ufc in the 1rst place. the y didn’t get fedor b/c they wouldn’t co-promote with m1-global, period! if they had decided to co-promote, everything dana said would have been forgotten. fedor and his little clique of vlad and millen are the sole reason that fedor is not in the ufc. they offered fedor millions and a title shot with his first fight on 2 different occasions. he will be fighting for strikeforce for a 2nd time come april and still wont be fighting for “their” hw title.
now, kid crap has decided to run a story about fedor not being on the best of pride highlight show. could he be any more obviuos? LOL!. it’s true that dana can be a dick and has said some dumb things, but it’s obvious that the afformentioned “blogger” has an agenda (same as gross) and it wreaks. this isn’t the 1rst time that he’s gone this route. the ufc has had some lows as of recent, almost 100% due to an unbelievable rash of injuries and some are piling on them b/c of this. just look at ufc 110, 111 and 112 and you can see where mma and the ufc is going in 2010…another record breaking year, especially when brock comes back.
fedor is awesome and is the best hw ever, but eventually he will lose or retire and eventually(fingers crossed) the ufc will sign a network deal of some sort. whomever their hw champ is at the time, he will be considered the real hw champ by the masses and the ufc already owns the best of the best in all of the other weight classes. them going to boston and probably ny in 2010 will hopefully change alot of peoples minds about the future of the sport. thats my rant for the day. :)
by bdw on Jan 15, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thanks..
let’s not call folk names though everyone has an opinion…
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by RearNakedPoke on Jan 16, 2010 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
MMA Saturation
Will be a problem in the future. I’m not talking about something where people will get burned out or tired of it, but instead a situation where people can watch decent fights most any day of the week. That’s great for hardcores, but casual fans aren’t going to watch MMA every day of the week, and even to that point, if you’ve got MMA on all the time, will people be willing to pay for a PPV on the weekend? Supply and demand is a very real thing, and when there’s a glut of media available on TV for free, people will be less inclined to pay for it, especially if you get garbage-cards like UFC 108.
A lot of people (myself excluded) really get off on team sports. Football, in particular is very popular in the US, but what if it were a sport that ran 12 months out of the year, rather than (however long it runs)? People probably wouldn’t get tired of it, but that special feeling of football season would be lost, since it’s on all the freaking time. MMA used to be a sport that you’d only get every couple months, and when an event went down it was a big deal. Now things are diluted to the point that we’ve got three cards in four weeks. A parallel could be drawn to “Who wants to be a millionaire?”. When the show was on once a week, or once every month or so (when it debuted) it was wild and ratings were great. When it was on five nights a week plus ratings during the day, it got a lot less special, and people became disenchanted with Regis taunting people in a goofy-looking chair.
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Yea
Will be a problem in the future. I’m not talking about something where people will get burned out or tired of it, but instead a situation where people can watch decent fights most any day of the week.
I don’t think casual fans will watch just any fight on tv though…I think people are realizing what’s a wack card and what isn’t…but if they UFC puts on quality events like UFC 111, 112, and 113(on paper they look dope) then I think people we buy those cards….in regards to other PPV…I don’t ever see SF or WEC doing well in that department…
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think casual fans will watch just any fight on tv though
I don’t think so either, but if you’ve got some people who may or may not know the big names, then they may just see a fight as a fight. They may not get too psyched over a Wild Bill’s Fight Night during the week, but if they flip past a half dozen shows during the week, they may be less inclined to buy in on Saturday for a big show.
in regards to other PPV…I don’t ever see SF or WEC doing well in that department…
Man ain’t that the truth. Especially WEC; they’ve got some stars, but you can’t headline a PPV with Faber vs. Whoever and fill the undercard with nonsense like Jansen vs. Shalorous.
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In regards to team sports
Baseball season is long as hell…and one of the slowest sports to casual fans with many teams..I mean there’s a baseball game on like every night…yet people don’t get burned out on the sport…I don’t see MMA being any different.
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for the name calling, won’t happen again. :)
Oversaturation
could end up being a problem for the sport for sure.
Remember when poker blew up? You couldn’t flick through the channels on your TV without some channel televising a poker game.
Now televised poker has dropped a lot the last couple of years. The same could happen with MMA if too many events are on TV.
dawg
Poker ain’t even a sport….not to mention it’s boring!
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Yeah I know it’s not a sport it’s a game, but that really wasn’t my point.
I was trying to make a point of over saturating the market with a product and people eventually get bored with it.
by scrambledeggs on Jan 16, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
RANDY turn down $3 Million to face FEDOR
Randy Couture was turned down $3 mil to face Fedor Emelianenko at an Bodog event. I believe he said that he turned down the money out of loyalty to Dana and the UFC. I don’t think that fight would have been a mismatch.
Oversaturation? nah, not so much in my opinion.
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…I believe he said that he turned down the money out of loyalty to Dana and the UFC.
..and probably a pre-existing contract with the UFC.
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Nah homey, Randy was not contractually obligated to the UFC at the moment Bodog offered him serious dollars to face Fedor.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jan 19, 2010 3:46 AM EST up reply actions

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