MMA4Real's October Welterweight MMA Rankings

by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT in News Comment 18 comments

UFC Welterweight Champion Georges "Rush" St. Pierre

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1. GSP

2. Jon Fitch

3. Jake Shields

4. Thiago Alves

5. Josh Koscheck

6. Matt Hughes

7. Mike Swick

8. Carlos Condit

9. Paul Daley

10. Martin Kampmann

Quick Notes:

-#2 Jon Fitch will be facing Ricardo Almeida at UFC 106?

-#4 Thiago Alves is rumored to be facing unranked Paulo Thiago at the TUF 10 Finale.

-#5 Josh Koscheck solidifies himself with his KO win over Frank Trigg at UFC 103.

-#6 Matt Hughes slides up a spot with Kampmann losing at UFC 103.

-#7 Mike Swick will be facing unranked Dan Hardy at UFC 105.

-#9 Paul Daley cracks in to the top ten with his TKO win over previously ranked #6 Martin Kampmann.

-#10 Martin Kampmann slides with the loss to previously unranked Paul Daley

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Josh Koscheck over Hughes?
Hughes beat GSP once. Not too many guys can say that see: Fitch, Alves or Koscheck. Alves did defeat Hughes, who suffered an leg injury in the match against an opponent who did not make weight. I’ll admit, I don’t think the weight factor made a huge difference.

Koscheck beat by GSP, Alves and newcomer Paulo Thiago. Does his victory over Trigg (a man Hughes beat twice), and KO victory over Yoshida really makes him look good in your rankings?

Swick . . . you do realize that his last two fights were his best performances post-Yushin Okami. I find it interesting that you have him ranked higher than experienced fighters like Condit, Daley AND Kampmann – despite his recent loss.

The hype surrounding the AKA tri-fecta is a little bit much. Koscheck and Swick benefits the most from being participants of TUF – not winners I might add. Jon Fitch is the only welterweight of the three who really deserves the rankings because he sports an incredible 10 – 1 record in the UFC and an incredible record outside the UFC. His losses were against fighters in a heavier weight class and the current MW champion.

I’m just saying, but alas it is your ranking.

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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 30, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I kind of agree – Koscheck has done nothing to earn that #5 spot IMO.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Sep 30, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff guys

As always…rankings are subjective…feel free to post your own up….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

I’d rather complain about yours =D

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Sep 30, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

I don’t see how yall don’t agree with Koscheck being top 5 though…the Paulo Thiago loss was a fluke…and he went the distance with GSP….lost to Alves on two weeks notice

Alves beat Parisyan(he was ranked at the time) and Hughes(who had only lost to GSP and still highly ranked)…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He lost to Paulo Thiago because he kept loading up for those Punchout-styled star punches – there’s nothing that leads me to believe that’s changed. Paulo Thiago validated himself with a gritty performance against Fitch and it was mentioned even before the Koscheck fight that he had an iron chin as well as some boxing experience – call his win a fluke, but I think it sounds like the perfect guy to take out a wrestler-turned-powerpuncher. Could Koscheck have won using his wrestling skills? No doubt, but that was the case with Kampmann in his last outing too.

Of course Koscheck is going to be at least somewhat competive against GSP – they stack up that way stylistically, I think a rematch would look more like Fitch/GSP than Koscheck/GSP 1. His true test of fire was against Thiago Alves and he got manhandled – I know he took that fight on short notice but so did Thiago Alves and both were preparing for fights.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Sep 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea

I look at it like this…the guys I have at 6-10…I think Koscheck beats the majority of the time.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see Koscheck beating Swick, Hughes, Daley or Kampmann. Maybe Condit but as we can all see he is seriously durable even when he gets rocked.

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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3PA, agree.

Kelvin, Fitch and Alves also went the distance against GSP. So did BJ Penn but that was a little while back.

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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

Fitch and Alves got heavily damaged….whereas Koscheck moreso got outpointed if I recall correctly…however, it was a 3 round fight.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ditto,
What makes rankings fun is NOT doing your own, but nit-picking some rankings created by other people.

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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

I love it that you guys are nitpicking…it helps me see things I probably wouldn’t see….and it’s fun defending my position….I guess yall were digging my HW and LHW jawns huh…nobody really said anything…lol.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I could go complain about Rampage being at #2 for LHW

If you wish me to :)

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Sep 30, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shiittt

You can’t complain bout that shit…dude is #2….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watch me

Matter of fact I’ll get at it tomorrow, EXTENSIVELY

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

please do

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still say Shields doesn’t belong in the top 5 simply because he doesn’t fight top tier competition. Everyone else on the list, with the exception of daley, is consistently fighting other top 10 opponents.

by villin on Sep 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sighs

Shields hasn’t lost since 2005…and all of the following have been victims since then…

Carlos Condit, Yushin Okami, Renato Verrisimo, Mike Pyle, Nick Thompson, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler…umm..I would say that’s pretty impressive…not to mention he finished 5 of them.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs