UFC 101: Making The Case For Kenny Florian Against BJ Penn
Kenny Florian states his own case:
I think my overall game is going to be better than his. I’m a more complete fighter. I incorporate more of a complete striking game, whereas B.J.’s more of just a boxer. But I have to go out and prove it on August 8. I truly believe that I’m better everywhere and I’m a better conditioned athlete. I feel like it’s going to be a tough fight, but I’m ready. I’m ready for five rounds of hell.
Many fans will argue that point and say that BJ Penn is the more complete fighter and it's a fair argument to make. You could really go back and forth all day because both fighters have considerable skill and their weaknesses. However, being a complete fighter goes way beyond physical skills in my opinion. Vitor Belfort is a prime example of that. I've been calling for a Florian victory over BJ Penn every since his win over Joe Stevenson, and I'm still calling it. Check out why after the jump.
The "X-Factors"
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UFC 94-A lot of people would look at the beating that GSP laid on BJ Penn and say that it would add fuel to BJ's fire in regards to his next fight. There may be some truth in that, but I think it benefits Kenny Florian more in this instance. Before that fight with GSP he had never really been dominated like that before, sure he had lost some fights but he had never been dominated like that. I think that beating took away some of the invincibility that BJ Penn may have had to some fighters, similar to the way Buster Douglas KO'ing Mike Tyson. Most fighters just didn't look at Tyson the same after that, and I think it's the same mindset that Florian has now. Not to mention that BJ Penn is still talking about GSP 7 months later, I still don't think he's over that fight. True, the fight was at 170, but I don't buy into the notion that there's a big difference between BJ Penn at lightweight and welterweight. Kenny Florian watched GSP beat BJ Penn and began to actually believe he could 'kill the master'.
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Game Planning-Kenny Florian is a much better game planner than BJ Penn. In fact, BJ Penn has often stated that he doens't really have a game plan as he goes into a fight. I would be willing to bet that Kenny Florian has a list of positions that he wants to avoid, and things he needs to accomplish to win this fight. BJ Penn will probably say something to the effect of, "I don't know how I'm going to do it, I just wanna knock Kenny Florian out." If you don't think game plans are important at this level in the sport, just see Rashad Evans vs. Lyoto Machida at UFC 98.
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Fight Camps-While it's true that BJ Penn has brought in some new guys to help him train for this fight, we still don't know how much impact they'll have. I mean all we have seen is BJ Penn doing 20 second video clips of him standing in front of the camera or jumping out of water that is 3 feet deep. Kenny Florian has been training for this fight for over 6 months(including a stint with GSP), all along developing that game plan to perfection.
In regards to keys to the fight, I think Florian needs to do the following:
- He needs to avoid being on his back with BJ Penn in top position
- He needs to dictate the range in the stand up, using lateral movement to avoid the cage if Penn tries to cut the cage off...
- The longer the fight goes, the better his chances are
Kenny Florian does have more in his arsenal in regards to the stand up game. There shouldn't be a big difference in regards to strength between the two fighters. We all know that BJ Penn has KO power and is great at BJJ(although hasn't really been a threat with submissions from his back in MMA), but he is beatable at 155. Kenny Florian has the tools to get it done and will win this fight via decision.
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haha….I admire your confidence. I think Penn still runs this block (155 pound division). “But I have to go out and prove it on August 8. I truly believe that I’m better everywhere and I’m a better conditioned athlete.” Florian is correct about one thing: He’s got to prove it. He’s a world class fighter, no doubt. I just think that anyone at 155 is in over their heads with Penn, a man who to this day has only lost once at his natural fighting weight. His time will run out, but he’s still going to be the world champ at lightweight for a little longer.
just bad luck and bad timming for kenny man..two tough champs he can’t beat when he get’s title shots.
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I’m with you Kelvin. BJ is a great 155lber, probably the best in UFC history, but I think Kenny has put more time and effort into becoming a complete fighter than Penn. I think Kenny’s Muay Thai is going to give BJ fits. I also think Kenny needs to just stay off the ground and pick BJ apart standing up. Use those long limbs to land some hard shots to his face. Maybe he’ll have a flashback to the GSP fight and give up! lol I kid of course. BJ will probably come in there ready to prove his worth, but I just have a feeling about KenFlo…
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You’re off on this one, Kelvin. BJ will make Kenflo his bitch come Saturday. BJ is in the best shape of his life — he’s been working with Strength & Conditioning genius, Marv Marinovich. He’s finally got top-level sparring partners. And I’m sure he’s sick of hearing about how lazy he is all over the mma blogoshpere.
Besides, I don’t think Kenny has the power to put BJ away. Remember, GSP beat on this man for 4 rounds, and he barely had a mouse under one eye.
BJ (like every other fighter) always says that he’s in his best shape ever for every single fight. It may actually be true this time though – his workout routine looks more like something Sean Sherk does and less like the 50 meter underwater boulder carry. And if he’s currently at 161, he’s definitely put his time in on building up his cardio.
Kenny’s a very good fighter but he’s just not on BJ’s level. I hate to put Kenny down or taking credit away from him if he does pull it out, but this really is BJ’s fight to lose.
Kenny has great cardio and a great team but I just don’t think it will be enough. BJ has tons more punching power, superior wrestling, and a dominant BJJ game. As far as submissions off the back go – BJ has said plenty of times that he avoids fighting off his back because it’s still easy to lose on the judges’ eyes. He’d rather get to his feet and strike.
And as far as the mental side goes, BJ’s kookiness might carry the day. He still wants to fight GSP and he might be crazy enough to think that killing Kenny (and Diego down the road) might get him another shot.
Kenny also hasn’t fought nearly the type of competition BJ has. Beating a dominant Matt Hughes, Gomi, Sherk, and plenty of other quality fighters far outweighs Kenny’s wins. Kenny’s accomplished a lot, but he’s never been in the cage with anyone nearly as good as BJ, while BJ’s wrecked opponents a lot better than Kenny.
The only easy fight BJ’s ever had was the rematch with Jens Pulver – relatively speaking, Kenny’s had it pretty easy.
The Matt Hughes win was 5 years ago, the Gomi win was nearly 6 years ago. Sherk had one of the worst gameplans in recent memory trying to box with BJ and forgo takedowns completely. Penn has an aura of invincibility which doesn’t seem to match his recent 3-3 record in the UFC, I suspect Florian is going to be a pretty tough fight for him.
Brad, you make a good point. I defiitely don’t think people should downplay Florian here. He’s a bad dude with a versatile skillset and is very deserving of this shot. My thing, though, is that those 3 recent losses that you mention all have one thing in common: they weren’t at Penn’s natural weightclass of lightweight. They were all at welterweight to guys that were either the best in the world or one of the top few best in the world at the time. And with the exception of his loss to GSP in February, he acquitted himself well in all of those. Going back even a little further, one was a decision at 205 pounds to current undefeated light heavweight champion Lyoto Machida! Penn’s deal is that he wants to challenge himself to the point that he’ll face someone 40 pounds heavier than him knowing that he’s got a very good chance at losing rather than face someone his own size that he is confident of beating. I think one good thing to come out of the loss to GSP after the 4th round back in February is that it seems to have refocused B.J. on dominating as the best 155 pounder on the planet. And based on what I’ve seen in his career thus far, I wouldn’t advise anyone to bet against Penn when he’s fighting at his natural weight.
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I’ll say this…I know this is YEARS ago…but if Jens Pulver could beat BJ Penn at 155 then…Kenny Florian damn sure can beat him now…sure Penn has improved…but if you want to compare the Pulver then to the Florian now and what he brings to the table…forgetaboutit!
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Yep
But his skillset hasn’t really changed that much since then IMO…
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hah….where did you pull that from?
Whos the 4th guy (apart from Florian, Bonnar and Dellagrotte)
by cauliflower_ears on Aug 5, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
i want to believe in ken-flo…but penn’s last couple let you forget that he utterly dominated the guys in his true 155 weight class…..dismanteld sherk, stevenson etc.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Aug 5, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
Yea
As mentioned…Sherk’s gameplan was horrible…nor does he have the reach Florian has…and Stevenson is primarily a grappler with very little standup…believe in KENFLO!
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Joe and especially Sherk had wrong gameplans. They should have both used their wrestling more effectively and the fights wouldn’t have been so one sided. If Stevenson fought BJ today (under Jackson’s tutelage) I guarantee he would give BJ a very tough fight.
Kenny has a significant reach advantage and vicious elbows. He is also a smarter fighter and won’t lets emotions compromise his gameplan. Lastly, his cardio is unquestionable. Even if BJ’s conditioning has improved under Marinovich’s guidance, he still has a long way to go with the likes of Kenny, Diego, GSP etc.
I agree with Kelvin’s analysis. This fight will be a case of Florian outlasting BJ.
by cauliflower_ears on Aug 5, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

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