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Can Randy Couture Avoid Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira’s Submission Game At UFC 102?

Besides the loser facing retirement questions, the biggest storyline coming from the Nogueira/Couture match up revolves around the method that each fighter will use to win.  Couture is known as a fighter with great Greco-Roman wrestling, while Nogueira is known for his vaunted submission game.  Of course both fighters could just come out and box the whole time, and both have talked about their boxing acumen in the build up for the fight.  However, I just can't fathom this fight not hitting the ground at some point which brings us to the question.  Can Randy Couture avoid Nogueira's submission game?

A lot of fans will look at this from two perspectives.  Couture has never faced someone with Nogueira's submission acumen, or Couture has only been subbed 3 times in his career with all of those coming very early on.  Some would point out that Couture was able to avoid being submitted by "Jacare", but that was a submission grappling match so that's comparing apples to oranges since this will be an MMA fight.  "Jacare" also fights as a middleweight in MMA, while Couture is a small HW.

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Nogueira favors the armbar with over half of his submission wins via that method.  He has won other fights via RNC, kimura, arm/triangle choke, anaconda choke, guillotine choke, keylock, and the triangle choke.  Of course Nogueira knows more submission than this, but these are submissions he has been able to apply in MMA competition.  The odds are that if this fight goes to the ground, Randy Couture will have the top position.  I doubt that Nogueira will be able to sweep Couture due to his experience and wrestling base.  So that leaves Nogueira with trying to submit Couture from his back, which leaves basically two submissions.  The armbar(his bread and butter), and the triangle choke.  Randy Couture is comfortable working in his opponents guard, but prefers to work in his opponent's half-guard to inflict damage.  If Couture is able to achieve this position, he'll negate the triangle choke as well as the armbar.  I suppose Nogueira would have the guillotine choke as an option, but I doubt he would be able to finish that maneuver against Couture. 

So with that said, Couture will probably win this fight via decision or he may be able to finish Nogueira late in the fight.  I think the odds of Nogueira submitting Couture are relatively low, but if anybody can prove me wrong it would be Nogueira.  What say you?

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My standing prediction is that Nog will win the fight via submission late in the fight (probably round 3). Nog is better fighting off his back than anyone Randy has faced in his career, and I for one believe Minotauro was not himself against Mir (the entire MMA community, including me, saw it as a forgone conclusion that Nog would win that one) — my opinion is that he would have if he had entered that fight in decent shape.

Nog is like a black hole, he sucks you into to that submission without you really noticing it.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Aug 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Yo

I REALLY want to believe you…but you have to know that Couture is aware of Nog’s submission game…plus this isn’t the same Nog from 2003-2004. I would love nothing more than for Nogueira to catch Couture in an armbar…but I think the odds are against it.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta Agree

While I would like to see a great Noguiera victory there’s something about his last 3 UFC fights that reveals a whole bunch of holes in his stand up that may get exploited by Couture.
Herring: Big Nog beat him, but got caught really badly.
Sylvia: He looked awfully slow and wide open to any jab Tim decided to throw at him.
Mir: Something was just wrong, staph infection notwithstanding he still looked like he had no clue standing against Mir.

When fighters make it a point to repeat that they’re 100% healthier than their last fights (including the aforementioned victories) their sales pitch makes me suspicious. I think it is safe to say that Couture will not be surprised by submission attempts if the fight goes to the floor and will know just enough to avoid getting submitted. I won’t be surprised by any outcome because so many things can happen. While Couture may not have the concussive KO power of Fedor, he’s really tough for a 40+ year old fighter.

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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then believe me… have faith my son, haha.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Aug 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still unsure as to who I’m picking. I will say this, though. I think that Couture needs this victory more. He’s 2-3 in his last 5 fights. Expect the best Randy on Saturday night.

by Rich Wyatt on Aug 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

…unless Couture just gets melted in like 2 mins…I think Nogueira needs it more…Couture only has one fight left after this one on his UFC contract…a loss here still opens up fights with the likes of Velasquez, Cro Cop, or he could move back down to LHW if he wanted…a loss for Nogueira is crucial considering he has taken beatings in his last 3 fights(I know he takes beatings anyways), but these last 3 fights haven’t shown him in the best light….regardless..

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 24, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could Nog submit Couture? Sure! The problem is getting it into a position where he can do it. Nog’s takedowns aren’t very good; it took him THREE rounds to fall to the ground and pull guard, in which Tim could’ve just stood up. Now, let’s compare Syvlia and Couture. Randy is (or at least was) an olympic class wrestler, and if he doesn’t want to go down to the ground he ain’t gonna go. Nogueira has great submissions, but the fact that he won’t be able to get it to the ground will be his downfall, and even if he DOES get it to the ground, there’s no telling whether Randy will be able to stifle the BJJ with good wrestling and top control.

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by -Neil- on Aug 24, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

there’s no telling whether Randy will be able to stifle the BJJ with good wrestling and top control.

I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to…it’s not like Couture is over aggressive with the GnP that would help Nogueira land something…and again..he likes to work from half-guard…which negates a lot of stuff…now if Nogueira can sweep Couture like he did Sylvia…things may be different…but I don’t see him being able to do so…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 24, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe does, maybe he doesn't...

..but Randy is smart enough to stand up and walk away ;)

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by -Neil- on Aug 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Randy is smart enough to stand up and walk away

It’s possible…which adds to the intrigue of this fight I suppose. I just hope Nog doesn’t look like boo boo.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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