The Fan's Double Standard?!
Many fans were very candid in their comments following Anderson Silva's performances against Patrick Cote and Thales Leites. Even Dana White went so far as to apologize to the fans for Silva's lackadasical showings. However, in both outings, Silva was clearly the superior fighter but neither opponent would engage enough for him to throw caution in the wind. Unfortunately, Silva having the 'pound for pound' status looming over him was the one that fell victim to the backlash even though the old adage says it takes two to tango. So in a move to make sure that Anderson Silva would be fully challenged he was put in what was supposed to be a war with the scrappy former light heavyweight champion, Forrest Griffin. The outcome? If you didn't see it, it was a thing of beauty as the former champ landed maybe one glancing punch the entire duration while a taunting-hands-by-his-side Silva moved effortlessly in and out delivering punishing blow after punishing blow. Now suddenly after many fans had somewhat written Silva off as becoming a boring fighter who only fought not to lose, suddenly he's once again propeled to the top of the heap in MMA. My question here is...do some fans have a double standard when it comes to certain fighters?
Check out my points after the jump.
Many fans, pundits, purists, and whatever else you want to call people draw a great comparison between two very dominant fighters in today's MMA atmosphere, those two being Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva. Georges St. Pierre since his dumbfounding loss against Matt Serra at UFC 69 has been on a legit tear through one of MMA's premiere divisions at welterweight. However, in doing so, he's produced some not-so-exciting bouts within that time, though winning each in very dominant form. Many fans tend to cheer GSP after each and every successful win, whether it by bone-crushing knockout, limb-stretching submission, or snooze-inducing decision...he seems to be immune from the backlash that follows some after their performances. Insert my rant. Anderson Silva has probably only lost one or two rounds during his stay within the octagon. Other than that, Silva has at times effortlessly made his opponents search for ways to survive rather than options of winning. However, in his fights prior to last Saturday's ego-crushing bout with Forrest Griffin, it seemed 'The Spider' bandwagon had been abandoned by many. Maybe it was just that Forrest is that big of a fan favorite, but even the live crowd that watched the weigh-ins booed the middleweight champ as he came up to be weighed, strange indeed.
The double standard I speak of though is one that many will probably see as me reaching, but to me it has to be said. GSP is one of, if not, my favorite MMA fighter. However, his bouts against Josh Koscheck and most recently with Thiago Alves were not exciting. While both were billed as huge barriers for GSP to climb and he did just that, no one can say he did it in jaw dropping or hair-raising excitement. So why didn't Dana White come out and apologize to the fans for St. Pierre's performance against Koscheck, which was a three round beatdown but was far from entertaining? Why hasn't he scrambled to find someone that can put up a good fight against the welterweight champion following his win over Thiago Alves? Why was Silva critized for not only winning every round against Patrick Cote and Thales Leites but doing it in his own flashy way? Is there truly a double standard here. Is it because GSP is seen as more of a wrestler than a striker, so he gets a pass for taking his opponents down and stifling them for three or five rounds? Is it because Anderson Silva spoiled us all with his early performances that saw him nearly decapitate Chris Leben, Rich Franklin (twice), and make Dan Henderson look like a deer in a headlight? Whatever it is, is it right? I myself don't think so, and for fans to question his position atop the 'pound for pound' rankings when he is one of the few guys discussed in those rankings that actually solidify what it means to be pound for pound, is ludicrous. If I were Forrest Griffin, I'd be mad at all the fans right about now because it was their constant criticism of Anderson Silva that made him even more dangerous at UFC 101. The fact remains, Anderson Silva doesn't control how his opponents fight. While guys like Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddell's mentality of putting on a show first, winning later, has caught up to them; Anderson Silva's just doing his job and doing it in dominant fashion. So for all those that said Anderson Silva should have easily beaten Patrick Cote - HE DID! All those out there that said Anderson Silva should have no problems with Thales Leiters - HE DIDN'T! Don't get caught up in the double standard.
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IMO I think it is just a what have you done for me lately. Like how AA was good in the UFC but after getting punished by Fedor and Roger’s he is a scrub in some fans eyes. Look at Big Tim, He was a top 5 Heavyweight before the Fedor fight now he is a running joke
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losing to 48 yr old Ray Mercer is 10 seconds didn’t help though.
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The only really bad fight I think Silva had was the Leites fight, but part of that blame goes to Leites too. The main reason was because Silva wouldn’t engage Leites on the ground and Leites wouldn’t stand up.
GSP on the other hand has no problem engaging on the ground or standing up (just ask John Fitches face about that one). Son brings it.
I dont think there is a double standard, just one crappy fight that Silva, IMO, had which he has put WAY past him and to rest with his performance this past Saturday.
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Good stuff Charles
Is it because Anderson Silva spoiled us all with his early performances that saw him nearly decapitate Chris Leben, Rich Franklin (twice), and make Dan Henderson look like a deer in a headlight
That’s it…its just human nature once we get accustomed to something….PRIME EXAMPLE..
Let’s say you just bought your wife a dozen of flowers on Friday out of the blue because you love her right? She thinks you are the best, it’s sweet…yada yada yada…Then next Friday…you did the same thing….and the following Friday you did the same thing…
Then you let the fourth Friday come and she doesn’t get any flowers…then by golly…she’s gonna wonder where those damn flowers are because she’s become accustomed to getting them every Friday now…
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lol
I dunno..certainly not me..my wife will tell you….buying flowers is a complete waste of money IMO…
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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 11, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There is definitely a double standard.
Anderson Silva’s past dominance has made fans expect to see a thrilling, quick knockout whenever he fights.
Georges St. Pierre’s past dominance was different, he stifled opponents and beat on them but never had constant, flashy knockouts. I would argue that this is because his skill levels are closer to his opponents so he CAN’T give out flashy knockouts. He isn’t that type of fighter. The fans expect to see him get on top of somebody and beat on him.
GSP’s fights are easier to meet fan expectation because it is pretty simple to do. Even when he goes to a decision, the fans saw him manhandle the other opponent and take him down.
Anderson Silva’s fights with Cote and Leites were perfectly fine in my opinion. He went out there and did what he did. Cote was sandbagging, trying to not get knocked out opposed to win the fight, and Leites dropped to the floor constantly. If you want to fight on the floor, get your opponent there.
Fans aren’t accustomed to seeing GSP win fights very quickly and excitingly, they are used to seeing him make people break due to accumulated damage. Anderson just destroys people much quicker. When that doesn’t happen he isn’t meeting the fans expectations due to past performances.
It definitely isn’t right. I think it is due to fan’s not really thinking about the fight, it’s just a basic “see man smash” mentality that isn’t being met. I think it shows that someone is a casual fan who’d be better off watching a KO highlight video.
by joseph. on Aug 11, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The difference is, GSP is relentlessly trying to finish his fights. Even on the ground, he’s constantly throwing HARD blows while aggressively looking to improve his position. He’s never content to lay on top of his opponent and wait for the clock to run out. Even with decisions like Thiago and Fitch, he beat the hell out of them. Fitch was almost inhuman and I don’t think anyone faults GSP for not finishing him, and he was injured in the Alves fight while going for a submission. He stated afterwards that his plan was to finish Thiago in the fourth, and he stuck to that plan until the injury.
Now Silva. First off, I didn’t mind the Cote fight as much. Cote has a granite chin and cinder blocks for hands, plus he’s a decent counter puncher. Now, having seen Silva dismantle Forrest, I have to wonder if he ever really thought that he was in danger of taking a shot from Cote. If he was legitimately worried about that, it was a decent game plan and a decent fight. Leites on the other hand…
Granted, it’s very hard to attack someone when they fall over every time you tap em. Still, Silva toyed with Leites while Leites was on his back instead of letting him get up and resume fighting. Also, there were many times where he had Leites cornered, and all he did was bob, weave and throw feints. As he showed Saturday night, he’s powerful and accurate enough that if he had landed one shot on the button for every one of those occurrences, Leites would have gone out. Instead, Silva often threw no shots at all during those events.
Decisions are fine, as long as we see some aggression and some effort to actually finish the fight. That’s the difference between GSP and Silva.
my thing is, Anderson’s never been super aggressive even in the stand up, unless guys are coming forward at him…there were times even in the Forrest fight he could’ve just came forward but instead he let Forrest come to him…I think with the Leites thing, maybe he was just being cautious…maybe not
by Charles Walker on Aug 11, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm usually fine with that
But after 4 rounds of NOTHING, combined with Leites crappy stand up, I was hoping he’d push the pace a little in the 5th.
Maybe he was being wary of a flying armbar or triangle.
I hear he has some experience with fluke highlight reel submissions.
That could be part of it.
The one thing, between the two freak fights, that I can’t understand is why exactly he didn’t finish it? I’ll give a break on the Cote fight, but you are right….he should’ve finished Leites. I am guessing that it was a way to show Dana and the UFC that he thought he shouldn’t have been fighting those two. It seemed like he knew he was way better than the fighters and was content to fight to a decision. You’d think that he’d want to impress the fans by how great he is, not toy with them….even though I think it was impressive.
All of that said, we aren’t fighters, he is. He can do whatever he wants and he’ll deal with the benefits or the consequences.
Your Argument is WAY off
Here’s why.
Koscheck, Alves, Fitch all competed against GSP.
Leites and Cote did not really engage Anderson Silva.
Many people found the GSP title defenses exciting. I did the first time I watched, until I realized that GSP wasn’t able to put his opponents away OR Fitch! and Alves are some really tough dudes.
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I think Fitch and Alves are really tough dudes…I mean they were/are legitimate #2 in the world at WW…and GSP just dominated them…I do think GSP would have finished Alves had he not suffered the injury to his groin.
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Alves and John Fitch are one dimensional.
John Fitch is a Decision and Submission guy, and had to squeak out a split decisson against Diego Sanchez for crying out loud! Diego friggin Sanchez probably the most overhyped air ballon since the Hindenberg
Alves is a striker with mediocre take down defense and mediocre ground game, both matches are stylistically perfectly suited for GSP who has the world’s best ground and wrestling
100% Correct
YES, GSP gets the Hollywood Pretty Boy treatment because of his good looks and he speaks English. Don’t get me wrong , he is an awesome fighter, he just happens to be wrapped in a much prettier, shiny giftwrap paper, while Anderson is wrapped in plain brown paper.
The bottom line is that Anderson DESTROYED his opponents in their prime , including 4,…. count ’em 4 weight division champions , again, Anderson DESTROYED them in their prime.
GSP has not fought the same caliber opponents, a washed up Matt Hughes and a Roid Free Sean Sherk aren’t exactly the same caliber as a top o the mountain champs Like Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson and Forrest Griffin. BJ Penn is definetely a Top guy , but again GSP didn’t destroy him, he basically out scored him in one fight and the 2nd fight was controversial b/c GSP was full of vaseline.
The Thales Leites Fight, wasn’t even a fight, you need 2 to fight, Thales kept flopping to his back and Anderson is not stupid, he’s not going to follow him there. I guess the fans wanted Anderson to take unecessary chances and follow him to the ground, but The Spider is not going to fall in someone elses web ;-) The truth is that Thales leites should have been disqualified after his 789th flop and his purse should have been witheld.
And to be perfectly honest if Thales drops to 170lbs he has an excellent chance of beating GSP because his ground game is one of the best of the world. Obviously GSP would want to keep the fight standing, but if it goes gto the ground, watch out.
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Welcome to the site…although I have to debate a couple of points with you…
Yes, Anderson destroyed Franklin 2x, Henderson, Marquardt, and Griffin….BUT
Matt Huges wasn’t washed up until GSP made him ‘washed up’…plus Fitch/Alves were legitimate #2 WW in the world…not to mention that Kosheck was top 5 or at least top 10 when GSP beat him…GSP may not have finished all of them…but he dominated them…which sometimes is even more impressive than a quick KO IMO…
To say that GSP would want to keep the fight standing against Anderson Silva is borderline retarded though…lol
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if you recall.....
Thanks for the welcome
2004 & 2005 were the peak years for Hughes, if you recall, BJ Penn dominated Hughes in the first 2 rounds of their rematch in 2006 then BJ Gassed out , but anyone watching the fight could tell that Matt had slowed down by a step or two, then he accepted the GSP fight with less than 7 week to prep and promptly got kicked in the nuts *TWICE by GSP and GSP was still unable to beat him in the first round!!
Anderson Silva Destroyed Rich FranklinNate Mardquart, Forrest Griffin, in the 1st round, Three EX-Champions KO’d in the 1st round!!!
If this was truly OLD STYLE UFC / GRAND PRIX , GSP wouldn’t last to the finals, he would fight the full 25 min of his first three matches and be completely gassed for the final, while Anderson would have fought a total of 12 Minutes !!!!
So although the slide may not have been noticable to the casual observer it was definetely there, taking on a fight with less than 7 weeks prep time was just dumb.
Hmm
If you call fitch and Alves one dimensional…the same can be said for all of Silva’s opponents…Franklin likes to stand and bang…same with Forrest, Marquardt/Hendo are grapplers/wrestlers…
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Dbl Hmmm
Wrong, Hendo and Nate both have knock out power and A+ wrestling. if GSP couldn’t handle a punch from Matt Sera, he won’t even handle a Jab from HENDO, if he tried to take HENDO or Nate to the mat GSP would loose by decission.
Again GSP great awesome fighter but he gets a complete double standard treatment, he fights #2’s , he cant finish fights and needs to grind out decissions. Anderson Silva Fights World Champions and **destroys*** them at their own game in the first two rounds .
Let’s see GSP move up to 185lbs and take on former champion Rich Franklin the way Anderson Silva did with Forrest. I betcha Rich Franklin is salivating just to get the opportunity for that payday and exposure.
Far from wrong...but ok
Wrong, Hendo and Nate both have knock out power and A+ wrestling. if GSP couldn’t handle a punch from Matt Sera, he won’t even handle a Jab from HENDO, if he tried to take HENDO or Nate to the mat GSP would loose by decission.
- having KO power and being able to strike is totally different…therefore, they are pretty one dimensional..Nate doesn’t have one punch KO power btw…
Again GSP great awesome fighter but he gets a complete double standard treatment, he fights #2’s , he cant finish fights and needs to grind out decissions. Anderson Silva Fights World Champions and **destroys*** them at their own game in the first two rounds .
Let’s see GSP move up to 185lbs and take on former champion Rich Franklin the way Anderson Silva did with Forrest. I betcha Rich Franklin is salivating just to get the opportunity for that payday and exposure.
Son. GSP and Anderson have different styles of fighting…there’s nothing wrong with that. Comparing Silva moving up to LHW…with GSP moving up to MW is apples to oranges…GSP walks around at like 190…Silva walks around at 215-220…
Btw..Rich Franklin doesn’t need anymore exposure….the guy has main evented several UFC’s, been a coach on TUF, former champion, etc.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Again DBL Standard
Grandpa’ :-) the reasons you mention for GSP not being able to move up in weight maybe true, but again it just shows something else GSP can’t do when compared to the Spider :-)
Again when we’re talking dbl standard GSP gets a lot of hall passes
- Boring Strategies: hold ’em down to get decissions
- Kicking in the Nuts
- Covering his body with vaseline,
- Glass Jaw
- Gets spanked and looses his belt by a journeyman fighter
- Is limited to one division, while BJ ,Anderson, Hendo, Franklin, Vera, etc. other great fighter routinely fight in 2
lol
Man you reaching like son from the Fantastic Four…and I’ll leave it at that.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 12, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions

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