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Why Brock Lesnar Is Great For MMA

Ariel Helwani makes the case:

Brock Lesnar needed a little less than seven minutes to avenge his February 2008 loss to Frank Mir at UFC 100 Saturday night in Las Vegas. He then needed only a couple of seconds to officially become the biggest villain in mixed martial arts. 

Both occurences are great for the sport.

Lesnar's post-fight antics are sure to go down as one of the defining moments in UFC history, and it's fitting that it happened at this historic event.

First, Lesnar flipped off the crowd, who booed him from the moment he walked into the arena until the moment he left. Then he got in Mir's face and did some more trash-talking. As if his beatdown wasn't enough. Then he criticized one of the UFC's biggest sponsors, Bud Light, for not sponsoring him. And finally, he suggested he was going to make love to his wife, former WWE Diva, Rena "Sable" Mero, before the night was over. The crowd supposedly hated every minute of it. I thought it was brilliant.

I heard other members of the media throw around words like "disgraceful," "embarrassing" and "bad for the sport" immediately following Lesnar's post-fight celebration. I couldn't help but wonder if these individuals "get it."

How many times do we criticize athletes for being too bland or packaged? Have you ever heard a semi-interesting post-game interview on an NBA or NFL telecast? I sure haven't. Yet here was Lesnar, just moments after unifying the UFC's heavyweight title, showing some raw emotion and I'm supposed to think it's disgraceful? Sorry, no can do.

 

I agree.  Well, I agree with everything besides Lesnar mentioning Bud Light in the fashion that he did.  That's a blue chip sponsor, and you don't want to piss those guys off.  However, other than that what can you say?  The guy just demolished someone that had talked TONS of smack in the most arrogant fashion with whom he has his only career loss to.  Not only that, he has now solidified himself as the heel of MMA.  For those of you not familiar with pro rassling, that means he's the villian in the fight.  He has now achieved and probably surpassed what Tito Ortiz was able to accomplish.  He now has fans that will pay to either see him win, or pay to see him lose.  In the end, you are paying to see him fight, which is all that really matters.  When millions of people pay to see him fight, that is good for the sport.  Hell, it's better than virtually nobody paying such as in the heyday of Tito Ortiz.  MMA needs a fighter that people can get behind like in boxing's heyday with Mike Tyson as the champion.  Brock Lesnar could very well be that guy.

Did you think Lesnar went overboard with the antics?  Sound off in the comments section.

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Of course Brock means exposure, and HUGE numbers, but when he pulled a Jamie Varner last night, I officially landed on the side of “Brock is good for numbers but bad for MMA.” Sort of like how Dana White is good for UFC, bad for MMA. In both cases, it’s their mouths that put them into antagonist territory. Even though I can’t stand Varner, at least he had the good sense to immediately apologize to the crowd in San Diego after his hissy fit (I was there). Brock, on the other hand, was still steaming as he continued to make a spectacle of himself.

Am I saying he doesn’t have the right to say what he wants? Of course not. But really, when you walk around at nearly 300 lbs, have to cut massive amounts of weight to make Heavyweight – and when you come from the WWE and still haven’t appealed to the “old guard’s” sensibilities, you’re going to be seen as a villain. That kind of crap flies in “pro” wrestling, but makes you infamous, and not just in a “I’m a bad-guy wrastler” kind of way. This is a real sport, and while I enjoy theatrics ala Genki Sudo, and now Tom “The Filthy Mauler” Lawlor – - it’s simply ridiculous to me, to see Brock resorting to his WWE pedigree, a history that he shuns for it’s void of credibility and the lack of satisfaction of accomplishment.

For a guy who claims to have left the theater of the WWE behind, he sure doesn’t act like it. In fact, he’s one of the most disrespectful people after fights that I’ve ever seen. Usually people show respect for each other after fights. That’s one of the reasons I watch this sport – to see that after all the violence, two people can transcend that and gain a new level of respect for each other. Brock doesn’t show that sentiment at all.

I, for one, can only hope that Dana is serious about signing Fedor, and that means, perhaps, signing a one-off deal, in writing, with “The Last Emperor.”

Fedor may be the only hope for a truly legitimate UFC heavyweight division. Without him, everyone is left to wonder how the belt holder in the UFC will fare against who many consider to the the pound-for-pound king of fighting.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll have an article up sometime soon about my thoughts on the main event. I will say this, though. If Lesnar had any heavyweight in the world in the position that he had Mir in last night and hit them with those jackhammer ground and pounds shots, they’d by KTFO. And I do mean ANYBODY. I think that it’s possible Emelianenko would be the favorite going into that fight, but he would have to absolutely not find himself in that same situation that Mir was in last night. Also, Zuffa will not do a one-off contract for a title fight, nor should they.

by SlickRick00 on Jul 12, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word to this
If Lesnar had any heavyweight in the world in the position that he had Mir in last night and hit them with those jackhammer ground and pounds shots, they’d by KTFO. And I do mean ANYBODY.

Fedor or whoever would not have gotten out of that.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor would not have been in that position. He is far more dynamic than Mir, and way more dangerous on the ground. Brock is a monster and a hell of a wrestler but Fedor is going to rule his ass if they fight.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor would not have been in that position.

So essentially you are saying that Fedor can avoid from being taken down by Lesnar?

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, however, I am saying he won’t necessarily be able to get him in that kind of compromising, defenseless position. You have seen Fedor fight, and not just dudes like Hong Man Choi or Lindland who should never have fought him? Fedor has been outwrestled, but never beaten by a wrestler. Ever. I’m not saying Fedor is unbeatable, but Brock is going to need a LOT more than what he put on display.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility for Brock to beat Fedor but I would NEVER put money on it.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brock actually said on MMA Live post fight show, that he had training partners that got out it. But either way, that was a fucking brilliant strategy.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 12, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

Word….training and fighting is different though…he didn’t have the same level of disgust for his training partners that he had for Mir….lol.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You work for Zuffa, or involved in contract negotiations?

by LeonDaLion on Jul 13, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s funny how...

 the crowd cheered for that arrogant prick Mir and booed Lesnar for winning. I mean, does it make sense to basically approve of bloviating shit-talking by a guy who couldn’t back it up, but boo the better fighter – the same guy that rolled him with ease and backed up everything he had to say? The crowd got what they paid for, and yet boo. Makes them seem like that crowd down south they had for the Lashley/Sapp fight.

As for being “disgraceful, embarrassing, or bad for the sport”: granted Brock didn’t have to acknowledge them by throwing up birds, but I could understand his frustration with the little to no respect he gets simply for coming from a pro wrestling background.
As for what he said to Mir: if Mir can dish out nonsensical BS and disrespect prior to the fight, he should be able to take it right back after a loss, especially when he couldn’t even back up his moronic pre-fight statements.

Bottom line – Weather or not you like the way he fights or his pre/post-fight antics, Lesnar sells PPV’s and there isn’t anyone currently in the UFC that can beat him. The guy is going be around for a long time.

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by _Felix_ on Jul 12, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Angering the sponsors

Lesnar not only is great for MMA, I hope he is inspiration to others in the WWE (or other pro-wrestling outlets) to join the UFC. For YEARS the heavyweight class has been stagnant. I mean how many times can you watch Tim Silvia get beaten up by a guy who’s half his size? Randy Couture was the only one worth watching in the entire weight class, and even that is getting old. I am THRILLED that the old school ground and pound is back, as opposed to jujitsu which is SO boring to watch if you don’t have years of experience in it.

As for angering the “blue-chip” sponsor Bud-Light… If they took legitimate offense to what Lesnar said, they should watch the WWE a bit. He is an entertainer as well as a force of nature. He drew more eyes to UFC 100 than any three other fighters on that card (noone on earth cares about Mir’s waning career). His comments made them MORE money not less, as there is no such thing as bad publicity. By saying that they wouldn’t pay him, he made them look like the good guy (because he is the conssumate bad guy), much like the Iron Shiek vs. Hulk Hogan battles of old.

For the past year I have been talking about the fact that the UFC needs to either get new heavyweights, or just drop the class altogether because of its WEAK field (compared to PRIDE and bodog). Thank God for Brock Lesnar, and Dana White should be counting his blessings that the milque-toast Mir didn’t win.

by Wrathcaster on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome To The Site!

Very valid pts.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Point

Bud Light is probably better off after his comments. I didnt even realize they were a major sponsor until he said anything, and now their brand is being mentioned all over the place in replays of his tirade, his apology after the fight, and all over the mma community, if anything they really shouldn’t mind it at all

by Dirteeyankee on Jul 12, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved every second of it (I’ve been saying I like this dude from the simple fact that he pisses stuffy MMA purists the fuck off)… he knows how to play the game I say!

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Jul 12, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Article.

MMA needs a fighter that people can get behind like in boxing’s heyday with Mike Tyson as the champion. Brock Lesnar could very well be that guy.

Exactly. Also, if Bud Light pulls out, there’s no doubt in my mind that there’s another beer company dying to sponsor Brock and the UFC.

by JETisKing on Jul 12, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sponsor

Maybe Coors Light :)

by Wrathcaster on Jul 12, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

I mentioned that in the recap….what Lesnar said could get Coors to pay the rumored $100K price to the UFC to sponsor him…:)

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

They won’t pull out…lol…their brand got seen by millions upon millions last night.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Probably more so since Brock is one of the most fascinating title holders the UFC has had in a long time.

by JETisKing on Jul 12, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yo

I need to see Lesnar vs. Fedor…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At this juncture I don’t give Fedor much of a chance in such a fight… Lesnar is scary…

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Jul 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lesnar is scary but scary doesn’t phase Fedor. Lesnar might be bigger, but all the size in the world isn’t going to help him. What I saw was a sound game plan against an opponent like Mir. That game plan will not work against Fedor. Brock, whether you like to admit it or not, is somewhat one-dimensional. He’s GREAT at Wrestling/GnP. That’s what he does. His stand up isn’t that developed. Fedor is far more crafty than any opponent Brock has ever faced. Fedor has faced some of the greatest wrestlers to cross over in MMA – Coleman, Randleman, etc. He destroyed them both. You’re going to need more than good GnP to beat Fedor. Brock will have to have a serious arsenal by the time he faces Fedor if he stands a chance. Mark my words, Fedor will be the one to beat Lesnar. Technique, Savvy, Experience, the best subs in the HW world, and the coolest head in MMA will prevail.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that’s why they have the fights…lol…to see what would happen. Now all that needs to happen is for Fedor to beat Josh Barnett…and come on over and find out…finkelstein probably won’t let it happen though.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finkelstein probably won't let it happen

Hahahaha… that’s a good one. HE won’t let it happen! LOL!

by LeonDaLion on Jul 13, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the best subs in the HW world

No…

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Jul 12, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

16 subs in his last 30 fights? I notice you didn’t name an alternative.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 13, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

props on getting attention to your blog, by the way.. obviously saying “Brock is Great for MMA” is going to turn some heads after last night with that spectacle…

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Umm

It’s not a ‘hit’ piece if that’s what you are implying. I genuinely believe the guy can help this sport reach levels unseen as long as he keeps winning.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers are crucial but for me, integrity is also important. I think the guy’s a dick and I’m gonna keep criticizing the guy as long as he acts like a douche. He doesn’t like being the Villain, clearly, but he better get used to it as long as he keeps pulling this crap.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn’t like being the Villain, clearly, but he better get used to it as long as he keeps pulling this crap

Really? I think he’s fine with it…and he’ll probably excel at it if he wants to.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hrmm.. well, he didn’t like being booed. Now, I for one wouldn’t have booed him until the point where he flipped the crowd the bird. He does seem to revel in being the antagonist, though, and he is good at getting people riled up, so who knows? Could be he loves every bit of it.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 12, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

You did see him telling them to keep doing it saying he loves it right?

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that’s what you say when you don’t want people to know how you really feel. I don’t care who you are, 15,000 people booing you can’t be a good experience, even for ol’ Superman, Thor Lesnar.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 13, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of you are killing me.......

The crowd boo’ed Brock as soon as he stepped in the octagon. People need to understand that UFC fighters are REAL people. Imagine how you would feel being boo’ed by thousands of people. I’m not condoning flipping the crowd off but I can definately understand feeling like everyone is against you. I like Mir, and he’s a great fighter, but he was WAY more disrespectful than Brock (pre-fight). I truly believe he is the cockiest, most conceited person in MMA. In every interview I’ve seen, he’s discredited Brock and made silly analogies comparing him to a child and such. Stop holding people to these ridiculous standards.
As far as Bud-Light goes, that’s his prerogative. He doesn’t owe them anything. They are not doing MMA a favor buy sponsoring the UFC. They are marketing their product (as they should). The benefit is mutuaI. That’s like a man and woman having sex and the women feeling as though she did HIM a favor. I could understand ZUFFA being pissed about that but why should we as fans give a damn if he disses them? I promise you the sport won’t come crashing down if they pull out as a sponsor. I’m not a Brock fan but he earned my respect by working hard and proving he deserves to be the champ. Hate him or love him, he’s monster and has ridiculous potential.

Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret..

by The Demolition Man on Jul 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed to this…..

by awesome21 on Jul 12, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D’Juan, you fighting in August?

by SlickRick00 on Jul 12, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes siiiir. I’m fighting at the Fairgrounds in Raleigh on August 29th. I’m training hard bro. Elite is also throwing an event in Lenoir on the 22nd but it’s a week before my Raleigh fight so that’s up in the air. Did you go to the last event at the Expo center?

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by The Demolition Man on Jul 13, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, I’m going to try and be at this one, though. I heard Paul put on a pretty good show.

by SlickRick00 on Jul 13, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get what you’re saying – and I’m not trying to say Brock is a talentless ass – he’s a hugely talented ass with massive potential, and could be, one day, the greatest HW in the world. But f*ck that if you think I have to suck it up and love the guy, and not say my piece if I think the guy acts like a complete douche. I pay to watch him fight, I live in America, last time I checked, and I’m gonna speak out against the behemoth if something he says or the way he acts pisses me off. It’s only natural, and you as a fighter know this. My point isn’t that he shouldn’t be in the UFC – my point is that he has a lot to learn if he wants to be embraced. And maybe that’s not his concern, but that’s my opinion, and if my opinion is “killing you,” oh well. Feel free to complain to management, it’s not gonna hurt my feelings.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 13, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

….“and if my opinion is "killing you," oh well. Feel free to complain to management, it’s not gonna hurt my feelings.”
Slow down brotha. I was not talking to you directly, I only browsed through the post’s because there were so many.
It sounds like your feelings ARE hurt to me. The fact that you pay to watch him fight means nothing. I doubt your saying " hmmm let me order these fights so I can pay Brock. You watch fights for YOUR entertainment. Do you buy food to pay farmers, or to live? Do you go to work to help your company, or to pay your bills? Every fighter has their reasons for fighting, and it’s not always to be “embraced” as you so eloquently put it. You DO have the right to state your opinion, and I have the right say it’s uneducated. I said my peace, if you disagree, cool. If I took your post the wrong way, my bad, you can’t tell someone’s tone from reading, but it definately seemed hostile to me.

Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret..

by The Demolition Man on Jul 13, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, you're right

I was out of line with my tone, I’ve been a bit worked up about this Brock situation, I just personally do not like his antics. That’s not to say that I like the sport to be sterile and devoid of personality – on the contrary, many of my favorite fighters catch my attention initially because of their personalities.

I sort of assumed you intended the comment to me since I was really the only one on here criticizing him, at least from the comments I’ve read, Maybe some comments were removed for flat out ridiculousness.

Fact is I’m not a fighter, and I don’t know what it’s like to be booed like that, and knowing my own temper I’d probably have done worse than he did, I just think he sort of set himself up for being the bad guy – and that’s not to excuse Frank Mir, I never defended his antics, though I probably should have made it clear that I don’t approve of some of his words or actions, either – but again, I’m no one, just a dude with $50, a TV and a computer, but I still believe that my main points stand, that he could use some humility. Maybe it’s just not in Brock’s nature.

Good luck in your upcoming fight, sincerely.

by LeonDaLion on Jul 13, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has it
that he could use some humility

Check out video that’s posted with brock apologizing….it may be manufactured…but he gives good reason as to why he did what he did.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 13, 2009 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was shocked.....

Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret..

by The Demolition Man on Jul 13, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks man

Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret..

by The Demolition Man on Jul 13, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff D'Juan

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by Kelvin Hunt on Jul 12, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you going to the Aug 1st event in Wilmington?

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by The Demolition Man on Jul 13, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many of y’all are crossover pro ’rastlin fans? Damn.

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