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Justifying Thales Leites Getting A UFC Middleweight Title Shot

Kevin Iole writes:

Perhaps, but Leites is still dogged by the question of how he got the fight instead of others perceived to be ahead of him. He seems to be behind men such as Yushin Okami, Dan Henderson, Demian Maia and Michael Bisping in the pecking order, perplexing some who wonder what he did to leapfrog them.

Thales Leites is getting a title shot because of the following:

  • Yushin Okami-Truth be told I don't see how wins over the late Evan Tanner(who was coming off a VERY long layoff) and journeyman Dean Lister in 2008, coupled with a decision win over middle of the pack Jason MacDonald in 2007 warrant a title shot like most people clamour for when it comes to Okami.  Okami was also injured for the majority of 2008 which pushed him out of the title picture as others put together wins.
  • Dan Henderson-He just had a title shot a little over a year ago and lost.  Only to win a lackluster decision over Rousimar Palhares.  Then squeak by former champion Rich Franklin earlier this year at LHW.  He hasn't earner another title shot yet.
  • Demian Maia-Maia could possibly have a gripe, but he's faced about the same level of competition as Leites in my opinion.  He still hasn't beaten a top 10 middleweight though, and Leites has(we'll get to that later).
  • Micheal Bisping-No way he deserves a title shot with 3 wins over journeyman middleweights after moving down from the LHW division.
  • Nate Marquardt-Iole forgot this one.  Marquardt probably has the best argument over everyone in terms of getting another title shot.  He's gone 3-1(with the loss being a controversial one to Leites) while finishing all of his opponents.

Star-divide

When it comes to Thales Leites, most people bring up two things:

  1. The loss to Martin Kampmann
  2. The controversial split decision win over top ten MW Nathan Marquardt.

Indeed, Leites lost to Martin Kampmann but that was almost 3 years ago.  Tito Ortiz beat Forrest Griffin at one point in time...yea ok.  Also, most people forget that Kampmann wasn't too far away from getting a title shot before getting injured prior to his upcoming match against Rich Franklin at UFC 72.  In regards to Leites and his win over Marquardt.  I look at it like this.  Marquardt hit Leites with a devastating illegal knee in the first round of that fight that changed that whole fight in my opinion.  The thing is Marquardt couldn't finish Leites.  In turn, Leites had him in some sticky situations at different points in that fight.  He had him mounted a couple of times and held his own, and Marquardt broke the rules.  Simple as that.  You could say that Marquardt would have won the fight if the two points hadn't been deducted.  You could also say that Arlovski would have won the fight against Fedor if he hadn't tried to do the running man and thrown that flying knee.  Leites won the fight making it 5 wins in a row, and a win over a top ten middleweight.  Which is something these other fighters can't say.  Thus, putting Leites in the position to challenge Anderson Silva for the UFC middleweight championship.

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all valid points. i think alot of people feel okami is most deserving, but are secretly praying he loses to miller (me too). i defenitley agree that maia has not beaten the level of fighters that lietes or marquardt have. i feel that lites shot is justified, just like i felt cote’s was due to his win streak and okami’s injury. out of all of them i do think marquardt has the best chance to dethrone silva(something about that jackson camp and their precise gameplanning), but as mentioned, he has had his shot. i did not realize that it had been 3 years since the kampann fight and agree that shoudn’t be held against him. i would be impressed if leites could just at least push silva to make him have to dig a little. since silva has been in the ufc he hasn’t been pushed at all, except maybee when lutter had him in the full mount and that was just for seconds. good luck thales. :)

by bdw on Apr 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Thales is going to put up a fight….son is durable as hell.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 16, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I think now would’ve been the perfect time for Silva to fight someone good at LHW (instead of fighting Leites). As to give the MW division more time to sort itself out.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 16, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

That would make sense…who would he fight though.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 16, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, basically all the top 10 LHWs are tied up right now.

One would have to travel back in time and change a few matches to free a few people up. I know ther were talks of a Silva/Liddell fight earlier and that would’ve been easy to sell, interesting to watch etc.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn’t mind seeing silva fight vera if vera looks good against hamill. that’s if he’s not going to fight gsp soon.

by bdw on Apr 16, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should slap you for saying that…lol.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 16, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think what makes him getting a title shot unjustified is him coming off a win against McFedries. You would think he would have received it after Marquardt.

...some call me "el mexicutioner"...

by _Felix_ on Apr 16, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well the Marquardt fight he got beat up pretty good, and won because Marquardt killed himself in points. I think the reason they put him against McFedries was so that he could come into the fight with Silva and instead of showing footage of him disoriented and bloody, they show him walking away after subbing the bejesus out of McFedries.

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by -Neil- on Apr 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, get a nice highlight sub win for the hype video for ufc97….“coming off of a lightning quick first round submission over drew mcfedries with wins over nate marq and others” sounds better.

by joseph. on Apr 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cote

Also got a title shot after beating McFedries…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG:

Drew McFedries = title shot

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by -Neil- on Apr 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair he beat Ricardo Almeida.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 17, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hated that Almeida/Cote fight….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it sucked something fierce, but the stipulation was clear: winner gets a title shot.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Say what? No way Almeida would have gotten a title shot. Unless he had just submitted the bejesus out of Cote, but even then he wasn’t in a position for a shot.

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by -Neil- on Apr 17, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s how the talk went before the fight if I remember correctly and it was the co-main event.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Almeida wouldn’t have gotten a title shot…that stipulation was just for Cote if he won I think.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ok.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 17, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How’s school going big dawg?

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now it’s suffering because of work which is kind of ass backwards since I got a job to be able to study haha…

But yeah, I get by – I will have to shine later.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Apr 17, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what's up

When you finish law school…you can help us break down all these crazy ass contracts these fighters be signing and stuff…:)

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 17, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

unjustified or undeserved*

...some call me "el mexicutioner"...

by _Felix_ on Apr 16, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I meant “seem unjustified or undeserved”*. I need to get of that bad dope.

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by _Felix_ on Apr 16, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL…I feel you…good point too.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 16, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Just read it….and with 20/20 hindsight it is pretty interesting

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by Zak Woods on Apr 20, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for reading.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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