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**DISCLAIMER:  This is a little deviation from the normal news, just a few thoughts on a touchy topic.  Hopefully no one gets offended and that is not the purpose behind it**

 

It’s one of those taboo topics, that you rarely bring up but once dropped, you always have an opinion about.  That topic…is race.  While surfing through the lively neighborhood that is Sherdog’s forums I came across an interesting topic that spanned 16 pages and isn’t even 24 hours old.  The question at hand…whether Anderson Silva is considered a black champion?  Now I expected lots of flaming and wise cracks but what I didn’t expect were some of the bizarre race-related opinions (mostly by us Americans) that these guys had.  From them saying the term ‘black’ only refers to African-Americans to others arguing that someone born and raised in Brazil can only be dubbed a Brazilian.  Huh?  These little tidbits are things that sadly still plague us today and unfortunately most often race is only a problem or heavily discussed here in America. 

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Plain and simple, Anderson Silva is a black man.  Is that a bad thing?  Does that mean that he has to have certain characteristics, style, or demeanor because he is a black man?  Does he have to wear a big chain like Quinton Jackson to the cage?  Does he have to dance around and present a certain ‘swagger’ like Rashad Evans?  Does he have to be a straight up bad boy like Melvin Guillard?  Scrolling through and quickly reading some of the replies it seemed that several posters had a deep, inner problem with referring to the middleweight kingpin as black and before I ramble off into somewhere I don’t want to go, should this even be a discussion being held on an MMA site?

 

I ask myself that, and then I have to look at my own soul.  Do I favor a fighter more or less based on their ethnicity?  Do I have a problem getting behind Chuck Liddell because he’s fighting Rashad Evans?  Do I so highly defend any and every action Rampage does because some deep down alliance I have with him based on the fact he’s the same race as me?  It’s touchy, it’s revealing, and sometime it makes you feel downright ignorant but to a certain degree, we all do it.  I can recall my UFC 88 experience and my quick change of heart in the main event from wanting to see a Chuck Liddell knockout to wanting to see Rashad destroy him.  Why?  Because of the heavy jeers and hate that Evans was receiving from the ‘mostly’ white crowd, which made instincts kick in and had me side with Rashad based off race and not sheer ‘fanboy’-ism.  These ugly prejudices we have faced in our own lives, from whatever stretch of it you’ve walked, should really not carry over into our recreation and our fun.  This is no Martin Luther King, Jr. type deal or some ‘Let’s All Hug’ kind of deal but rather it’s simply an inner look into what makes certain fans tick.  We all get behind different fighters for numerous reasons and while getting behind a guy because he represents something near and dear to you isn’t wrong by any means, it shouldn’t get any deeper than that.  I say these things because I am one of the most guilty of playing the ‘race card’ in MMA and that simple thread on Sherdog made me think about some of my comments and opinions and what they’re based off.  My favorite fighter is Quinton Jackson, as I’ve stated and let be known on many occasions.  I feel as though, even with some of his shortcomings, he’s a good representative of blacks in a growing sport.  With that, I feel as though I can take it a little too far with my fanboy-ism, as much as getting defensive when people have differing opinions on him as a fighter.  Huh?  Sound crazy?  Yeah because it is and if it were just myself that were guilty, well, the MMA community would be a greater place but I’m not the only offender of this.  While it may go unsaid or ignored, there are many a MMA fan that cheer for a guy based off his race and boo a guy for the same reason. 

 

Some guy quipped in the thread that he’s ‘no longer a fan of Anderson because he’s black’.  The sad truth is that would possibly be the mindset of several hardcore MMA fans.  It’s all ludicrous in the grand scheme of things but it is a driving factor behind certain fans.  Even with a potential Rashad Evans/Quinton Jackson showdown, I read comments by several posters that it would be bad for the UFC to put two African-American fighters in a UFC main event.  Aren’t they simply fighters and two guys at the top of their division?  Think about it.

 

So to conclude this spiel that may not have been as linear as I wanted it to be when I first started typing, I hope it sheds some light on the ignorance that can plague a sport that is still young in it’s growth and to sum it all up will raise one definitive question about race in MMA:

 

Does it really matter?

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Interesting

I’ll have to come back to this after I meet with this student…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

there’s a famous boxing quote that i’ll paraphrase, " in boxing (and all combat sports) when contestants of different races fight, it’s a race war". other sports denote skill and character traits…but only in boxing (and all combat sports) is it a test of pure courage, heart, toughness, and life/death." this is why boxing’s landscape has been littered with the “chitlin circuit” of olden days, and (honestly) part of why MMA has taken off. a sea of black/mexican champions and stars has alienated at least part of the demographic….MMA’s landscape has starts, prospects, and champions that are white in disproportionate numbers……

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by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok

I can type now…even though I’m not Black(I’m Native American) I can relate to Charles UFC 88 experience since we were both there live. There did seem to be some sort of ‘hate’ toward Rashad Evans for no particular reason. The same can be said for Rampage Jackson after he KTFO Liddell the second time at UFC 71. The crowd actually boo’ed him. Maybe it was because they both had KO’ed a white champion in devastating fashion? Like this women I work with she absolutely despises Rashad and Rampage…and can’t give me any concrete reasoning as to why…lol.

Since there aren’t any or many Native Americans in MMA I tend to just go with the styles of fighters. In fact, if you read some comments I made yesterday I was pretty critical of Dan Henderson. If a fighter is exciting and carries himself well then I have no problem rooting for them, regardless of color.

I must admit though, I did want to see Rashad whip Liddell after all the stuff I heard from the crowd.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 24, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Also

Good Stuff Charles…good pts. all around….even showing humility in admitting your own degree of prejudice.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 24, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Good topic

I personally could care less a bout a persons race in anything. When I hate on a fighter,or any other sports figure, it’s mainly because they perpetrate something they are not or they just act like idiots and do stupid things. I’m not perfect, but there are certain ways that people act and things they do that cause me to take a dislike to them. Weather they have to be of a certain race, oh well. If I wasn’t honest in the way I felt towards a person because they were a certain race, that would also be showing prejudice, just a different kind.

Unfortunately, there is that minority (no pun intended) of people of all races in high and low positions to whom race will always be the most important issue in all things, no matter what. IMO, there is no question that society is progressively getting over old fashioned and ignorant stances on race and race relations. Also, IMO, there unquestionably seems to be opportunity and the ability for anyone, no matter what their race may be, to achieve anything they want.

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by _Felix_ on Mar 24, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

race will always be an issue. whenever I see asian fighters fighting the crowd is usually always against them, cheering for the other person.

The Chuck Liddell situation really lets it shine through. Chuck, the white poster boy of the UFC, the baddest man on the planet, goes up against two black guys and gets KTFO. At the time no one knew who Rampage was and everybody was very upset that their favorite fighter got KO’d. I think that if it would’ve been Forrest to do it there wouldn’t have been as many boo’s afterwards. When Rashad beat him I’m pretty sure it was the same type of situation.

The majority of fans are white, and like Charles said when it comes to one-on-one sports like boxing and MMA the casual fans usually root for the fighter of their race. This happens with fighters of all races and is probably more prevalent in boxing. MMA is a growing sport and with the growth will come more and more diverse ethnic set of fighters. We’ll see a lot of the casual fans blindly root for the fighter of their race when they don’t know anything about either of the guys fighting. I don’t know if that is a bad thing or not….as long as the fans aren’t thinking maliciously about the other fighter.

things like the world cup and the olympics are huge and you are basically getting one group of people who identify with each other to root for people like them against the others. the only real difference with this is that there aren’t teams involved, it’s individual people. people i think are naturally going to root for the team/person that they most identify with and country/race is one of the first things people resort to.

by joseph. on Mar 24, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice post Joseph

Oh yea, another thing from UFC 88 was the way that Kim got booed while fighting Matt Brown. That was just pathetic.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 24, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that was pretty stupid when they started chanting “USA” like it was the Olympics or something.

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by _Felix_ on Mar 24, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eloquently stated..

This was a great read. I think it provided good insight into the average person’s psyche(regarding race and sports). Prejudice/stereotypes/ignorance plague every facet of society. Why would MMA be exempt? We’re all slaves to our emotions at some point (We’re human). The task is catching yourself , and realizing that you’re wrong.

Suffer the pain of discipline or suffer the pain of regret..

by The Demolition Man on Mar 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I totally agree with everyone in here…and word to Kelv about the Kim thing from 88, I couldn’t stand that…it was just plain disrespectful…I’m glad I was able to move from my original seat too, I was around a bunch of drunk, Affliction shirt wearing college guys that booed every non-white fighter, and I was the only person of color in the whole section..lol

by Charles Walker on Mar 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I had my dad and brother with me!

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

This topic was really highlighted for me during the Fight for the Troops event. It seemed to me that the UFC was playing the race card a bit, putting in an American fighter vs a Japanese fighter as the main event. Lo and behold the military dominated crowd booed for the guy from the same country that bombed Pearl Harbour. I thought it was pretty cynical matchmaking on the part of the UFC, or do you think I am reading too much into it?

by brad23 on Mar 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm…I dunno if they did the match making with that in mind….although was noticeable in terms of how the crowd reacted…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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This is very interesting. I think there was a little discussion over on BE several months ago that had this very same question. My thing is, so if Anderson Silva is Black, does that make Thiago Alves, Big and Lil Nog, Shogun, etc, Latino? They sure as heck do look latino but I dont think I would call them latinos. I would call them Brazilian. I guess we could just say Anderson Silva is Brazilian of African descent? Its just a weird question to me.

Honestly, I’m Mexican and I do get proud of fighters like Miguel Torres, Huerta, Velazques, etc. because they usually go all out. But it doesn’t make me hate any other fighters they fight. I don’t know if I would see Anderson Silva as a black man if I myself was a African American though, not sure why.

Great stuff…

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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Brazilian

that’s basically what I’m saying about Anderson Silva, he’s a Brazilian of African descent, which basically means he’s black but from Brazil…like…a black man from Canada’s still a black man…but as I stated..lol…don’t really matter, black, blue, green…he’s the man

by Charles Walker on Mar 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t really matter, black, blue, green…he’s the man

Agreed

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Mar 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol…I was kinda of wondering about that…thanks!

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by Kelvin Hunt on Mar 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

lol I think it’s an American thing where we have it so skewed on what it means to be black, white, etc…just how since I’m from the U.S. I can be considered black but since Anderson’s from Brazil he’s more so considered Brazilian as I can’t just be considered American but I gotta be African American…lol…get it?

by Charles Walker on Mar 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I do, and I agree we have it programmed into our brains I guess. IMO, we are all just American but in other peoples eyes its not like that unfortunately…

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by xFenixKnightx on Mar 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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