Jon Jones To Protest TUF 10 Finale Loss Against Matt Hamill
by Kelvin Hunt on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 PM EST
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PrintAccording to a post made by his management on the UG:
Let's be clear, Jon is not "unhappy" he feels as all things happen for a reason. We are protesting the L because we felt that Jon's opponent could not effectively communicate why he could not continue.
The rules state that an intentional foul and that the fighter cannot continue based on injury sustained from the foul. Hamill could not contnue due to a broken shoulder.
Jon should have been deducted a point for the accidental illegal blow. Matt should have been treated like we treat the Brazilians and given 5 minutes to regroup and offered a translator so the ref could make the right call and understand Matt could not continue due to his shoulder injury not the blow.
This should be a NC for both fighters but not a loss. Hammil continued with an injured Shoulder and only complained once the action was stopped (warrior) but the fight was stopped based on the shoulder injury in our opinion.
I agree with those sentiments, although I don't seem to recall hearing why the doctor decided to stop the fight. Was it because of the shoulder injury or because of the cut sustained due to the illegal blows? Because the techinique(the slam) that injured Hamill's shoulder was legal. Let's hope they get this one right, unlike the debacle that was the Kevin Burn/Anthony Johnson eye poke. Jon Jones performed wonderfully in the Hamill fight, and it's a shame that his perfect record would reflect a loss on it when it shouldn't be on there.
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The thing is, that won’t really matter – it will just equate to a costly legal process (almost all legal processes are). People know he won, the brass knows he won, Matt Hammill knows he won.
Give him Luiz Cane and be done with this.
Bloody hell.
Yea
I’m sure having a loss on your record when it shouldn’t be there erks the hell out of you…it would me…lol…especially if I was undefeated..
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Yeah but that notion is one of the things I like about MMA — it’s not about being undefeated in the way they do it in Boxing (ie bolster your record with 38 cans before you fight anyone).
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Dec 8, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that
but nobody wants to have a loss on their record that shouldn’t be there…least I don’t…but I agree…fighting cans for your first 40 fights isn’t a good look….glad MMA isn’t like that.
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it won't get my money back either
i really thought it might be the first killing in ufc history. that beating went on for 30-45 seconds. i’m thru with betting in ufc and so are alot of people in nevada. in fact once kimbo fight was over they turned the volume completely off for the nebraska/texas game. the ufc is going to fall just like nascar. sponsorships will fade and dana white must be so proud that roy nelson rub his big fat belly on spike tv. don’t get me started on the hulk hogan interview either. the ufc has fallen and it won’t rebound peace.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
A bit dramatic
Don’t you think?
But yeah the gambler in me cringed at the decision.
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Dec 8, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
dramatic. i'm just telling the truth from all the people who watched in nevada
hulk hogan is what you want to see? fat roy nelson rubbing his belly is what you want to see. i could swear i could not even see matt hamill’s eye’s because of all the blood. jones was looking at the ref like why are you not stopping this. he was offering nothing but a face cover up. fu-k ufc. 2010 is the year they implode. peace.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Having Hulk Hogan on is no different than having some movie star plug a movie or some musician an album. Mike Goldberg was acting silly about it though, but what else is new?
I don’t understand the amount of heat nipple tweaking, belly rubs and questionable tattoos garner haha – it’s like being violently angry because your team’s mascot isn’t to your liking. Trivial.
While Hammill couldn’t continue because of his shoulder the last 2 hard blows delivered were illegal. It is what it is, Bones should know better.
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Dec 8, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
your a fool thats all
if the ufc needs hulk hogan a washed up steroid abusing piece of zhit then so be it. 2010 the ferttita’s will sell the dying ufc brand count on that. know go kiss roy nelson’s big fat belly since you like it soo much. hamill get hammered for 45 seconds straight with no defense. i hope the refs contiue the trend b/c there will be a killing inside the octogan. i have no doubt about that
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just venting about the show mr hunt that's all
at least kimbo came thru and he did have a great power slam in the fight. go kimbo. i hope he destroys his next opponent.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
those two blows were after jones looked up at the ref and look at him saying do
you want me to break his jaw, orbital bone or cheekbone. it was pathetic. matt hamill won’t fight for 1 year to recuperate from this beating. again i’m not blaming hamill. ia guy i definitely pull for but he could never in his wildest dreams beat jones and jones will beat rua and machida easily and keep it on his feet and use the spinning elbow he used vs bonnar. jones is bigger, stronger and faster then both rua and machida. if anything this proves that neither one of those guys would be willing to face huim unless dana said they must. i would love to see jones knock the zhit out of anderson silva too. jones is 22 years old. he will be champion for years. and i will bet on that!
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the doctor ever ruled he couldn’t continue due to the illegal strike, unless it was during the commercial break…I thought Matt was actually tapping when Mazz asked him if he could continue but now I realize he was just rubbing his shoulder
should be reversed to a nc at no cost to jones, imo. hamill admitted he couldn’t continue b/c of his shoulder, and mags letting it go that long? i couldn’t believe it. it was like he was trying to prove a point that he doesn’t stop fights early or something.
i also agree that this will not be seen as a loss to the ufc and fans, everyone saw how he ragdolled a pretty tough fighter in hamill. bones will start getting bigger names with this fight, regardles of the “results”.
This reminded me of the Vera/Werdum fight where Vera didn’t even have a scratch on his face or was at all hurt and they stopped it because Werdum had full mount
that was a premature stoppage. vera was blocking most of those shots. i can’t remember, was mags the ref for that one too or was it herb? herb dean at on point was the most hated ref in mma for a very brief period.
by bdw on Dec 8, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Still a loss
btw what’s up everyone. First post!
From what I’ve read, Mazz watched the instant replay and saw that there were cuts to Hamill’s face caused by the downward elbows. RIght? The fight should have and did get stopped regardless of Hamill’s shoulder.
Now the Jones camp is calling the blows accidental?
So you finally made the plunge!
That’s what’s up man…welcome and thanks for posting…
He stopped the fight because of the downward elbows…and deducted a point…he wasn’t going to stop the fight until Hamill said he couldn’t continue because of his shoulder…which was caused by the slam earlier in the fight…that’s my take on it.
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