Does Tito Ortiz Have Time To Become Relevant Once Again?
Luke Thomas chimes in on the possibility:
If Ortiz can generate enough interest in his future fights by claiming injustice against Griffin, he can continue to rebuild and hone his skills in the interim. If the UFC can provide more manageable opposition in future opposition, Ortiz can work towards a legitimate challenge .Need proof? Look no further than Shogun Rua. After a disappointing performance against Forrest Griffin, Shogun was given an easier contest in Mark Coleman (yes, Coleman is still dangerous, but let's not point to that fight as evidence) only to get a subsequent fight against a diminished, if more capable Liddell. This allowed Shogun to buy time in his recovery such that at the moment he arrived at the Machida fight, he was actually ready to take on serious challenges. Point blank, Ortiz has not been afforded the same opportunity.
It's no guarantee Ortiz returns to any semblance of an old form. Any future success hinges on changes he's willing to make and performances he has to turn in. But the door is still open. There is still a window of time to be relevant. Not the relevancy of before, but something new. The choice to take advantage of that opportunity belongs only to Mr. Ortiz.
I don't know if the comparison to Rua is adequate. Yes, both had major surgeries and were out of action for extended periods of time. However, Rua is/was much younger and possesses a much more dynamic overall skill set than Ortiz. So he was able to pull off the comeback effectively. The 2009 version of Ortiz, even with improved cardio, is the same as the 2006 Tito Ortiz. If you stop the take down, you pretty much have a clear path to victory because Ortiz has failed to develop the other necessary skill sets to become a complete fighter. I think his style meshes well with Griffin, which makes that fight more competitive than it should be. Griffin lacks the power to knock him out, and Ortiz is an experienced enough grappler to avoid being submitted. Griffin's take down defense, while improved, is still not one of his strong points. Not to mention that Tito's standup skills have been the same for quite some time, while lacking KO power of his own. All of those ingredients give us the fights we saw at UFC 59 and UFC 106. Think about it, most people would agree that Forrest Griffin is a much better fight now than he was in 2006. Yet, we still got relatively the same fight. However, Tito against anyone else close to being top ten is probably going to be an embarrasing night for Mr. Ortiz.
Tito's been trying to hone his skills(mainly his standup) since forever, and it still looks the same as it always has. He may be able to beat the Stephan Bonnar's of the world, but would one call that being relevant? What say you?
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He should be relegated to legend fights IMO. He is resilient, I’ll give him that – but he doesn’t have the speed or the offensive output needed in the LHW division… maybe a move to HW?
Bloody hell.
Hmm
that’s interesting….I think we spoke about that a while back if I’m not mistaken….although he’s a big LHW….I dunno if he could be competitive as a HW now…that was before I mean he has problems taking Griffin(who’s TD is suspect at times) down later in the fight…
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Maybe that weight cut is starting to get to him though – he cuts quite alot and at this point it might have a negative effect on his cardio, which fuels his takedown attempts…
Bloody hell.
I dunno
if that’s it…he seems quite stiff to me nowadays….even when he’s walking….I’d imagine having back problems would decrease the amount of work you can do cardio wise as well…
(I had a back injury in high school…and it took a LONG time to get back 100%…and it didn’t even require surgery)….
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I think the biggest problem that Tito is facing is that he needs to get healthy. Again. Also, he needed a tune-up fight, but he’s too big of a star to hand him some scrub he’ll dummy. Coleman would’ve been a good match, just because he’s even more broken down that Tito, but he really could’ve used someone that was useless on the ground with a below-average chin. Houston Alexander comes to mind, but I don’t think that they really want to make him look TOO foolish.
If he was 100% I feel pretty confident he would’ve won, but with the way things are going, it seems like he’ll never be back into shape.
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If he was 100% I feel pretty confident he would’ve won, but with the way things are going, it seems like he’ll never be back into shape.
That’s the thing though. What is a 100% Tito Ortiz?
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That depends; is this pre or post-fight?
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What?
I’m asking…what is 100% for Tito? Like…if he went through a whole camp without any major injuries…what would that Tito fight like?
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I was just poking fun at his pre-fight “I’m 100%, never better!” compared to post-fight “I’ve got buldging disks, cracked skull, blahblahblah” hyjinks.
I think that if he were truly injury-free, he wouldn’t gas out, and would have a stronger shot for takedowns. It isn’t going to improve his stand-up, although you never know.
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Oh
I was just poking fun at his pre-fight "I’m 100%, never better!" compared to post-fight "I’ve got buldging disks, cracked skull, blahblahblah" hyjinks
Did you hear what that one guy asked him at the post fight conference? He asked him about Tito saying he was 100% before the fight….Tito was like…“you gotta sell the fight right”….I’m like…you do that EVERY fight fool!
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Tito always has an excuse, that will never change.
Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but you still can't
help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs...
does he have time?
unquestionably yes. will he be relevant again, hell no. mma has evolved without you Tito, so either hit the cicuit (see 3PA ^^) or seetle for mid-tier mediocrity
"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb
*should read "senior circuit"
"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb
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