MMA4Real: UFC 106 Post Fight Analysis And Recap
-Well, it appears that Tito Ortiz is basically the same fighter post back surgery as he was pre-back surgery. Or could you blame it on the cage rust? I'm sure that's what Tito will do, but it's clear that he doesn't have much left to offer. I will say that his shot(although he shot from too far way) looked a bit more explosive early on. However, Tito basically gassed near the end of the second round and had absolutely NOTHING in the 3rd round. I think he just wanted to survive. Also, so much for training with Freddy Roach to improve his standup. It was still the same old Tito in that area as well. No power, slow, and basically inaccurate.
-Most people are probably praising Forrest Griffin for getting the win. However, you won't find me doing it. Forrest is supposed to be a top 5 light heavyweight. Yet, he couldn't put away Tito Ortiz in that final round. I mean he won the fight via split decision. A split decision against a guy that hasn't fought in 18 months, and is coming off major back surgery just isn't cutting it in my opinion. Color me unimpressed with his performance.
-Anthony Johnson fought well, considering what Josh Koscheck brings to the table. I don't know what was up with the whole eye poke/supposedly illegal knee stuff. However, Koscheck finally exhibited the skills we all know he had in regards to his wrestling. Thank GOD he didn't try to strike with Johnson the entire time. I think this will be a good learning experience for Johnson. What in the world was Koscheck doing trying to call the shots in his post fight interview?
-Volkmann could have won that fight. I picked him to win it, but I must say I was finally impressed with Thiago. He showed that he could strike, and we all know he's good on the ground.
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira opened up A LOT of eyes. I thought he would beat Cane simply because Cane takes too much damage in his fights. However, the left hook that Nogueira kept rocking Cane with was a thing of beauty! That's how you introduce yourself in your UFC debut. Well done Rogerio.
-Baroni has madd heart. That's about it though. I have no idea how Amir didn't finish him.
-Ben Saunders looked good against Marcus Davis. I never expected him to manhandle Davis the way he did. That was a nice bounce back win for him after losing to Swick at UFC 103.
-Did I mention that I absolutely LOVE the preliminary fights airing on Spike TV? We got to see 9 fights. Chea!
Overall, I enjoyed the event. It was also great to finally meet Rich and to hang out with he and Charles.
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I agree. I would only add that I don’t think Anthony Johnson can compete with the very top guys. His ground game looked pretty bad. I think he only did as well as did in the previous fights because of his significant size advantage over other guys.
Lil Nogueira rocks! I want to see Nogueira VS Winner of Evans-Silva.
I don’t think Griffin will ever be champion again. I don’t think he will ever be top 3 again :-)
Oritz is dead. They will just give him commercial fights (like they will Couture) with no prospect of ever getting a title shot.
by aman on Nov 22, 2009 3:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or could you blame it on the cage rust?
Same old Tito, same old excuses. He got his back fixed… but now he has bulging disks. No fighters are every 100%, and although I’m not one of the people who hate on fighters for making excuses, but Tito always has one ready.
Yet, he couldn’t put away Tito Ortiz in that final round.
Did anyone really expect him to? In his 8 UFC wins, only 3 were finishes (one against a injured/gassed Shogun, one against a very KO-able Elvis Sinosic). The guy has little power in his hands, and is no wiz on the ground. I still don’t get why people love the guy so much.
Baroni has madd heart. That’s about it though.
Why did the UFC pick up Baroni again? If it’s taking away talent from Strikeforce, they’re not taking away much. Brotha NEVER has anything past 4:00 to save his life. Jesus Baroni is terrible.
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by -Neil- on Nov 22, 2009 3:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Baroni
I don’t understand why Baroni is back in the UFC. There have been guys with much more talent who have been cut and never invited back. But then, of course, UFC does a lot of shit that either makes no sense to me, or makes sense, but I still think is unfair to other guys.
by aman on Nov 22, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, when they brought him in (following a loss, which is even more baffling) some people made the excuse that he could sell a fight, because’s he’s charasmatic. Which is true, without a doubt.. except if that’s what they were going to use him for, they should put him in a fight that 1) He’ll actually talk and 2) A fight he can win.
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by -Neil- on Nov 22, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
baroni will be used like trigg. a guaranteed win for up and comers
i wonder how phil baroni feels today. those thai kicks were nasty had sabdollah too check out my ufc 106 moneylines
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 22, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing he feels like he got the bejesus beat out of him.. then again, he’s probably just lounging around in one of his robes.
The thing about Trigg is that even though he lost his re-debut, he’s still a decent fighter who got caught by a good guy. Koscheck may not be a legit contender, but he’s still very good. Sadollah? Well.. I really don’t think that he’ll be considered for a title shot for a long time, if ever.
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by -Neil- on Nov 22, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all i said was a win for the up and come fighters in the ufc. the ultimate fighter's who make it to the big show
marcus davis proves that point too. saunders was on one of the tuf shows. he destroyed davis. davis even had surgery on his scar surgery. kinda sounds like oxymoron. i learned my lesson when i took cro cop that one time. soryy for now on i’m taking the young, hungrier fighter who have more all around skills then the older veterans. just the way it is. plus it’s working out for me.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 22, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
should say scar tissue
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 22, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
I’m just saying that even though it was a win for an up and comer, I don’t see Sadollah as being a contender, or even really that relevant beyond being a TUF winner.
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by -Neil- on Nov 22, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you think mac danzig will be first tuf alumni to be cut from ufc?
he is on a three in a row loss streak.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 22, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s well on his way. Seemed like it was going to be Stephenson, but now Danzig is pretty much out. I haven’t heard anything new about him lately though, so you never know.
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by -Neil- on Nov 22, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
- Sadollah impressed with his diverse aresenal of attacks; knees (particularly liked when he had the right overhook and held Baroni’s right arm out and utilized his height advantage to punish the mid-section), elbows, punches and kicks. He got clocked with some big shots too.
- Lil Nog’s boxing was more on point that I gave him credit for (I basically said he was going to be able to hold his own and win the fight on the ground): Cane looked confused facing anouther lefty – and he has to learn to be the smart aggressor; no one can just stand in front of their opponent and take shots like that.
- Paulo Thiago is a bad ass and managed to continue fighting despite being gassed – it’s a thankless proposition taking on unknown prospects. Volkman was scrappy but his stand-up looked HORRIBLE. Great fight in which both got to shine.
- Rumble seems to get a little flakey when hit – I thought with his reach, power and relative accuracy he would OWN the stand up. Koscheck standing in front of him as long as he did made me go “boy-oy-oy” knowing the KO was not far away. THANK GOD Koscheck eventually did the smart thing and took the fight to the ground – where it became a lopsided affair.
- Tito looked incredibly slow, in the end I choose not to put too much stock in him new-and-improved after the surgery. He belongs with Randy Couture, Mark Coleman and Matt Hughes in that he only has legacy fights left if he decides to continue his career. Forrest scrambled pretty well and he PUNISHED Ortiz in that last round – it’s a win that doesn’t really move him anywhere BUT it must feel great for him to be back on the winning track and I think that makes all the difference.
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Nov 22, 2009 6:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kos is right about Hardy not deserving a title shot but at the same time he threw his teammate under the bus by same Hardy hasn’t beat anybody. I wonder if he would be saying the same if Swick had won?
Kos has a very invalid argument also about being a number one contender or in the title picture, being that he hasn’t beat anyone lately to deserve a title shot either. The last time he beat a top guy in the division was when he beat Sanchez, which was how long ago? This is the same guy that wanted a fight against Matt Hughes. They should make Kos fight Fitch, since they are choosing to clog up the the division.
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by _Felix_ on Nov 22, 2009 7:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They should make Kos fight Fitch, since they are choosing to clog up the the division.
The time is about right for that.
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Nov 22, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“but at the same time he threw his teammate under the bus by same Hardy hasn’t beat anybody.”
Exactly what I said.
by SlickRick00 on Nov 22, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he already did that in an interview BEFORE the fight lol
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Nov 22, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my boy saunders a t+225 destroyed marcus davis
i called the round. the way the knockout came and that marcus davis’s scar tissue would bleed badly. second easist 225 in my life. griffin won like i said. tito was totally gassed for third round. never seen a fighter look at the clock 25 seconds into the round. cane lost, no problem li nog has good strike’s biggest disapointment was johnson. how can a guy by scared of another guy that is 4 inches shorter and probably 20 -25 pounds lighter. i should have believed you kos. he is my second fav fighter but i thought it was a bad matchup for him. i’m glad he called hardy out too. he would destroy him. i’ll bet dana will match him up with koscheck. as far as i know there are no contracts signed for gsp/hardy fight. k.g did exactly what i said. submitted rosholt. i thought the best fight was brock larson vs foster? i think that is what his name was. he did a 180 back kick to larson’s stomach then followed up with a 180 swinging fist punch, then just slammed larson to the ground and made him tap with strikes. for a card everybody thought was bad it was a night of great fights. we saw it for free too. griffin has got to be the most popular mma fighter. everytime he fights 80% of the nevada crowd is in his corner. he made a great impression on tuf show. the first ultimate fighter. it was a profitable night for me and i had aldo too. speed kills and when tcu plays whoever in the bcs bowl game they have more of it than anybody including florida. peace.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 22, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you signed up on MMA Playground, Wolman?
by SlickRick00 on Nov 22, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was but something weird happened. i had my picks in i thought
and when i looked at results nothing showed for me. i don’t know if i did it wrong or i had to pick again within an hour of fights b/c i did make my first picks three or four days in advance. not sure what happened?
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 22, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, can’t spell. I meant Wolfman.
by SlickRick00 on Nov 22, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Forrest, but he has never shown me that he has the punching power to finish anyone, and his high kicks are too sloppy too. I’d be shocked if he ever KOed someone at this level of competition, so it doesn’t surprise me that he wasn’t able to finish off Tito. The only way that would’ve happened is by a submission, and although I was pretty impressed with Forrest’s guard work last night, he wasn’t going to finish Tito from the bottom because Tito is just too good and too strong from top position.
As for Amir, I like him as well, and we haven’t gotten to see him fight very much, but just from his fighting style and his build, he reminded me of a smaller version of Forrest last night. I wouldn’t look for him to finish many folks in the future either, unless it’s via submission, or maybe from those knee strikes he showed us.
Just my two cents anyway.
by Cliff Speed on Nov 22, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 22, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
amir didn’t finish baroni cause he has no power. I don’t see him doing well in a division full of wrestlers
by EVeezy on Nov 22, 2009 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yea
He’ll never be a contender…
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 22, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I called the Saunders fight perfectly. I’m glad the Irish Tool got decimated. I think Saunders had an off night against Swick. I’m not saying he’d win but he shouldn’t have lost that badly.
Lil Nog ! WOW! I’ve seen him in Pride but that was some world class striking right there. At this rate he is going to get a title shot in the very near future. I was very impressed. How can you not love the Nog brothers?
While Forrest wasn’t exactly impressive, theres no way that fight should have a been a split decision. Forrest won rounds 1 and 3 easily and did some good things in round 2 as well. We have to keep in mind that he was coming off that embarrassing loss so the performance he put on was decent enough.
I’m glad Anthony Johnson lost. That guy comes across as cocky and full of excuses. Koscheck was very impressive. He took a hard shot from Johnson and threw some bombs of his own. A lot of people criticize him for trying to stand and bang when he could use he wrestling but his standup isn’t that bad at all. And he does possess KO power. That loss to Paolo Thiago was just a case of getting caught. And he took the fight with Alves on short notice. I’d like to see him square off with Hardy and the winner taking on GSP.
Amir was pretty impressive but as you said, a good ground and pound guy would finish him easily.
Tito sucked. Broken eye socket, injuries …whatever man. He’s had the longest time to train and recover and he did virtually nothing in round 3. In fact all he did in the fight was a bit of gnp. His standup looked robotic and impotent and his big head was an easy target for Forrest’s soft punches.
Sotiropoulos was his usual self …absolutely magical on the ground. His jitz is just so graceful if you will. He gets into great positions and is always a move or two away from a submission. And I hope Dent gets cut. He has no business being in the UFC.
And speaking of submissions…. Kendall Grove! I didn’t think he’d beat a powerful wrestler in Rosholt but that was a sick triangle. Great stuff. These Hawaiian guys need to find a way to stay motivated always.
And I didn’t get to see the Brock Larson fight yet but wtf? How did he get TKO’d?!
Good event overall….except for the main event.
by cauliflower_ears on Nov 23, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yea
larson has cost me the last two times he’s fought…son has fell off something terrible.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
larson got destroyed . it was one of the best fights of the night
read my post from above. i think the guy’s name was foster myabe brian foster? he was very impressive. 180 leg kicks 180 spining fist punches. picked up larsen easily and slammed him to the ground and just pounded him until he tapped. i don’t have time now but somebody tell me if i got that guys name right. he is someone to look forward too in future fights
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 23, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...it was Brian Foster
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 23, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he was very impressive. i'll definitely remember him next time
that fight was not even booked in reno/tahoe area. i don’t care who he fights i’m taking him. give him carlos condit.
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