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Is the UFC fulfilling its TUF obligations?

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Steve Cofield has written an article that has brought to the fore in my mind issues highlighted by the current season 10 of TUF. For some time now I have had serious reservations about just exactly what the aim of the UFC is, and the contents of the product they are pedalling. As the leading exponent of MMA i believe there are certain obligations that they are privy too, like it or not. Here's an excerpt from the article to get the ball rolling

The mix of two coaches who hate each other, Kimbo Slice, veteran Roy Nelson and a bunch of heavyweight prospects would be explosive. Much of that has been delivered but the show has encountered one huge problem along the way - did any of these fighters come ready to fight and in tip-top shape?

By the looks of it, either most of the group doesn't train year-round or they were told about the assignment a week before the show.

How much damage does a fight like Matt Mitrione versus Scott Junk do with a casual fan who's giving the sport a try for the first time? They beat the snot out of each other and took massive shots, but they were exhausted three minutes into the fight. Maybe that's why the Kimbo fight was on Episode three, this way Spike/UFC could avoid a massive audience of new fans seeing the embarrassing lack of conditioning on display.

 1. Where does the UFC's obligation in picking coaches start/end?

Yes. I was super stoked to see Rampage and Rashad get up close and personal, i quite enjoy the smack talk and find it endlessly amusing. That's missing the point though if that's the sole reason for selling us as the fan's these two "coaches" on a reality tv  show whose whole premise is the coaching of select "talented" individuals/prospects. Rampage may decree

I'm not a coach!

Cool. Why is he being selected to coach guys so? He says that is the reasoning behind bringing along his additional coaching staff, Tikki Ghosn et al. BUT when compared to a hand's on Rashad Evans who is teemed up with Phil Nurse, Greg Jackson and guest appearances from Marquardt and Jardine there is no one on God's green earth is going to convince me that these two teams of 8 fighters are being coached on a some kind of level playing field. It's ludicrously disproportionate and the blame for this lies soley with the UFC who instigated it. Rampage or his coaches don't even tend to their fighters after the fights end and Dana doesn't step in? Hell no! I'm not even going to go any further.

2. What onus does the UFC have in selecting fighters for the series?

We're at heart trying to engage talented individuals with the opportunity of a lifetime, a chance to make it on to the world's biggest MMA stage. A chance to roll and throw down with the big boys. And Scott Junk v Matt Mitrione is the an eigth of the pick of the crop?

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 Dana i shit you not, you are having a [expletive] laugh. That was the most shameful fight I have ever been fed on TUF, run a close 2nd by Kimbo v Big Country. You're telling me that out of a U.S population of 307,817,178M these were two of the best HW you could find? The only thing these two boys could finish was there dinner, they could hardly finish a 5min round, let alone two of them. You then have the audacity to laud the fight?! you have done untold work for the sport, but, Get Out of Here!

This is before we even start to think about the impact the Browning brothers have had. This is one fan saying, No.

It is easy to dodge our responsibilities, but we cannot dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities.

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Good fanpost man

TUF 10 is way different than TUF 1….however, the goal of achieving good ratings has never changed…it’s an opportunity to put MMA out on a larger scope. It’s also an opportunity for the public to identify and humanize the fighters on the show…resulting in more fans for that fighter and what the UFC hopes is increased PPV buys etc. It’s also an opportunity to find 2-3 quality fighters and add them to the roster as legitimate prospects. This season will serve that purpose with Nelson, Schaub, Rogers, and maybe Marcus Jones….oh…and Kimbo…lol…

The thing in regards to the quality of the fighters is….fighters nowadays that are REALLY good for the most part will find another way into the UFC. The TUF contract is something those fighters try to avoid unless they can negotiate something else(i.e. Kimbo). Sure there are better fighters out there…but it’s one of two things for the most part.

1. They the personality of a styrofoam
2. They don’t want to do the show.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 30, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cheers!.... TUF candidates

The thing in regards to the quality of the fighters is….fighters nowadays that are REALLY good for the most part will find another way into the UFC

I believe you are spot on. Yes, indeed there will be a certain lowering of standards due to the unfounded, IMO, stigma attached to coming off TUF. That is no excuse for the UFC to host a 16man tournament with at least 25% of the fighters boasting a non-existent cardio level. This is more basic than skillsets, if guys can’t stay active for 10min there is something fundamentally wrong with the whole selection process. And considering the mass appeal of the show, its misrepresenting the calibre of athletes that are out there. Especially with Dana’s retarded (forgive the venom) remarks that the fight was great. If the president of the UFC on national tv is backing that pitiful sight last night we as mma fans should put him to task over it. He ain’t fooling us but he is misrepresenting what we love. BIG TIME

[end of rant. lol]

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by RearNakedPoke on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The piss poor cardio of these guys has been the most disappointing to me… it’s ridiculous to me that cardio is still an aspect, no matter what weight class in MMA today.

Bloody hell.

by 3PA on Oct 30, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you! & amen!

i can finally go about my day assured that i’m not delusional (well, completely anyway)

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the UFC does not select the best talent that walks through the door. TUF denied Tyrone Woodley and look how good he is. There are lots of really good reginal fighters that get turned down due to their “unfavorable” attitude. That want the house to be destroyed, they want people to think Meathead is crazy, they want titties to get in Rampages face, and they don’t want good fighters that respect one another.

by EVeezy on Oct 30, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we agree so

this is exactly my point, to some extent there has to be a balance i understand. at the same time season 9 had very little antics of note and wasn’t a bad representation of the sport IMO. i agree with your remarks about TYrone 100%, there is no justifiable reason to bring in tomato cans and say to the world these are the best contestants we found when they are not. it sickens me. i have friends who i’m trying to encourage the sort with and they tune in to Junk v Mattrione and go, " dude, wtf are you wasting our time for"….

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think tuf started out as a showcase for young new talent. now, they are so popular, the ufc doesn’t seem to need that outlet as much. now it seems more like a coaches showcase for the next big ppv (how else does 1 explain, bisping being a coach. at least rashad won the title.) i agree with everyone that there should not be guys on their gassing after a 1/2 of a round. pathetic. the coaches WERE doing a good job selling their fight, but of course now, we know how that will play out.

TYRONE WOODLEY? i did not know that! i can’t believe they turned him down. i guess he didn’t have a partiers personality. lol. they didn’t go with fitch either, and i think his personality might have had something to do with that as well. it shouldn’t! but like most say, as long as the ratings stay good, it will stick around, and i will watch every episode, just in case their actually is a good fight, or a breakout fighter. oh well.

by bdw on Oct 30, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the coaches WERE doing a good job selling their fight

shoudn’t their primary focus be coaching, in an ideal world? just saying… i do agree with you though, but i don’t agree that it has become the sole purpose of the show. it looks that way cos it has gone to shit but i dont believe it intentional.

i will watch every episode, just in case their actually is a good fight, or a breakout fighter
^^ this

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Oct 31, 2009 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People are fooling themselves if they think the entrants in any reality show are the best to be found in that field. The TUF 10 contestants aren’t the best unsigned HWs in the country, they are the best HWs that are not good enough to be drafted straight into the UFC. Otherwise Todd Duffee would be in the house, rather than making his UFC debut in late August.

by brad23 on Oct 31, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they probably should have saved duffe for this season. at least they would have 1 star come from the show

by bdw on Oct 31, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that goes without saying...

still no excuse for having bums that have no gas tank after half a round. i guarantee you ic ould go around to local mma events and find 16 HWs who wcould make it through 2 rounds and be ok skills wise. it reamins that the show is a joke. like bdw i will still watch it on the off chance that i might be rewarded for my perseverance

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Oct 31, 2009 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

0-7 rampage's team. he seems to have too much pride and animostity towards rashad

i don’t think he will be back fighting in ufc even if his film career is one movie. sad but true.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he does

but thats the only thing making this season worth viewing, because the fights so far are awful. its making a joke of the UFC brand. i believe he’ll be back in the UFC and very apologetic. i saw an interesting interview i think it was Fanhouse and Dana was saying how Page is being filled full of shit by hollywood execs basically making a fool of him by tellinghim he’ll be a star. this seems quintessential Page to me, the man has a big head in more then one ways, unfortunately… cos i do really like him. He needs the UFC more than they need him, one day he’ll realise this and come grovelling back.

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Nov 1, 2009 6:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll be back at some point in 2010.

by SlickRick00 on Nov 1, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

does anybody see 0-8 for team rampage?

i wonder what rampage breaks this time? maybe a few dents in the van that brings the fighters to practice. better yet, the windshield. i really do like rampage jackson. his throwdown in pride is one of my favorite moves ever in all of mma. i just like rashad better as a fighter and person.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 2, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

duno

I have something coming up on this later today….

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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 2, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

big baby will sort rampage out

cant see mike wessel over coming his size/strength advantage, plus they’d already be hyping page’s tantrum if he had one…we saw previews of the door in the first week or two if im not mistaken.

totally at odds with rashad as an individual too, no time for his nipple-tweaking, crotch grabbing, big mouth antics… he got lucky against forrest, that shit didnt work against machida and sure as hell wont against page if that ever goes down

"I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch." ~ Ty Cobb

by RearNakedPoke on Nov 2, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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