So It's Popular To Bash Karate After UFC 104?
by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
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That seems to be the case and one of the biggest haters is WEC lightweight champion Jamie Varner. Check out what he posted to his twitter account as the fight between Shogun Rua and Lyoto Machida went down:
50-45 marico BATMAN rua for sure good job to him... Karate I guess isn't all it's cracked up to be... Congrats ruaI guess they don't take to many leg kicks in karate practice! 4-0 shogun (the bat) Wow I got it 3-0 the Bat! The Bat strikes again in round 2! Machida is getting hit doesn't really like it! Batman got round one... Wth is machidas corner doing to him?
Oh,and check out what Tiki Ghosn wrote on his twitter page after the fight was over:
Karate doesn't work against Muay Thai
Listen, you all know that I thought Shogun Rua won the fight against Machida. However, for these two guys to have professional fighting experience and talk such non-sense is downright pathetic. It's just hating at it's finest in my opinion. They make it seem as if Machida got destroyed or blown out in the fight. I thought he lost convincingly, but it was still a relatively close fight. I mean he had some moments in the fight where he landed decent shots and had been virtually untouchable prior to UFC 104. Karate is just like any other discipline if you can implement it effectively into your game. It just so happens that Machida has been the only go to be able to do it at this level. Machida is still that dude, because we saw portions of the Shogun that was the #1 LHW in the world back in 2005 and Machida hung with him with his karate. As I said earlier, the best thing about last night is that we get to see a re-match and we now know that Shogun Rua can compete at the highest level again. Stop drinking that haterade though.
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I mean the only thing that happened was that Machida’s karate base got “figured out” and that a healthy dose of Muay Thai/Kickboxing was the cure, dude is still without competition the number 2 guy in the best division in MMA though =/
He went from ‘untouchable’ to losing a close decision to one of the best of all time, but people tend to overreact.
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Oct 26, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
final compustat numbers rua 89 machida 50
i also found out cecil peoples was the ref in the matt hammil vs bisping fight. i did not bet on that fight but that was a bigger joke than the rua fight. goto to sherdog.com and get the rest. the have a list of all the media outlets who had rua winning big. 20 or more major media outlets. cecil peoples in karate hall of fame. still finding out more on the other two. maybe he was on my guy belcher’s fight. it was a split decision. have to look more into that. peace.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bisping hamill was a good decision
It shows the shortcomings of a 10 point must system, but it definitely was the right decision according to the rules of scoring.
Fightmetric confirms this
by Shaun32887 on Oct 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i saw the fight. hammil had three or four takedowns to none for bisping
even the announcers said you get more points for takedowns then you do for getting out of them. because takedown are offensive while getting out of them is defensive. hammill had ring control and ring agression which is supposed to be 50% of judges decision. you need to watch that fight again. it makes me think you just looked at the fightmetrics stats and did not see the actuall fight. and yes i did see the rua vs machida fight at cal/neva sportsbook in reno.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to get into this too deeply, it’s been done before, no need to do it again.
Still, looking at things like the effectiveness of a take down and ring aggression are still gray areas in MMA judging. It goes back to the question of what good is a take down if you don’t do anything with it. Also, keep in mind that when Bonnar got the decision over Southworth on TUF 1, there was controversy due to the fact that while Bonnar was being more aggressive, Bobby was effectively dealing with his aggressiveness, and was winning exchanges by letting Bonnar attack first.
With all that gray area, and the closeness of the second two rounds, I’m surprised people make such a big deal out of it. The brutality of the first round makes us feel in our gut that Hamill won, and if the fight was scored as a whole, he would have, but as it stands, you can make an equally good case that Bisping won 29-28.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree – to a degree.
Mostly it points out the flaws with the 10-must system.
Bloody hell.
by 3PA on Oct 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Hamill won that fight.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As do I
But with the scoring system, and the disagreement as to what actually counts on an MMA fight, I don’t think it’s nearly as bad a decision as most people make it out to be, I can understand why the judges gave Bisping the fight.
by Shaun32887 on Oct 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Somehow I don’t think Tiki or Varner at a hypothetical “equivalent weight” (i.e. where they and Machida at matching weight, retaining the power and speed from their respective original weight classes) have what it would take to actually defeat Machida, that Shogun showed…
Jealousy much?
by Chortles on Oct 27, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
It would be straight clownage.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 27, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, MMA fans in general are fickle and change alliances at the drop of a hat, something that really pisses me off.
However, Jamie Varner is not unknown for being something of a jerk from time to time, as is Tiki, so this post doesn’t really tell us anything new.
Varner always seemed insecure to me…
by Shaun32887 on Oct 26, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so this post doesn’t really tell us anything new.
No,it just further reinterates things though.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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