There Was No Robbery At WEC 43
by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 12, 2009 8:00 AM EDT
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That was, realistically, a 49-46 win for Cerrone (four rounds to one) over Ben Henderson. And how did the judges score the fight? 48-47 unanimously for Henderson.
Don’t get me wrong - Ben Henderson showed tremendous heart and flexibility, as much as Clay Guida did against Diego Sanchez. However, Cerrone was the aggressor with the submission attempts and he stayed on offense most of the way. Henderson was not even in Cerrone’s level in terms of finishing the fight.
Ehhh, I have to disagree here even though all of you know I thought that Cerrone did enough to get the win. I think it's pretty impossible to have it four rounds to one in favor of Cerrone. Here's how I see it.
Round 1-VERY close round. First half of the round was all Cerrone with the submission attempts and Henderson finished the round very strong. I gave this round to Cerrone. Which basically the difference in the fight for me.
Rounds 2-3 were clearly Henderson's rounds as he was able to dicate where the fight took place and also landed some pretty vicious ground and pound whereas Cerrone couldn't do much off his back.
Round 4-5 I have to Cerrone because he was able to stop Henderson's takedowns at this point and inflict damage, not to mention the close submission attempts in Round 5 that would have put away lesser opponents.
So I had it 3 rounds to 2 in favor of Cerrone, and again the difference in the fight was how you judged the first round IMO. Now, if this fight were judged the way they judge fights in Japan? Then, I think it would have been a pretty clear cut decision win for Cerrone since he was closer to stopping Henderson quite a few times. However, the fight took place in Texas and was judged on the ten point system so the decision the judges rendered is what it is. Again, it was a very close fight and I can see why they would say that Ben Henderson was the winner. There was no robbery at WEC 43. Donald Cerrone himself thought Henderson won the fight.
How did you judge the fight?
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Rounds 2 – 5 were pretty clear cut,, round one is the debateable round. I gave it to Cerrone because it looked like he was close to finishing the fight and I think that submission attempts that come close to ending it should be scored highly. I could definitely see how it could be scored for Henderson, he landed some nice shots from the guard.
It’s so subjective there’s really no right or wrong way to score it. It just depends on what you value more I guess, sub attempts or strikes on the ground.
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it was close….the things is how much do you credit apparently deep submission attempts, or putting a guy in a potentially fight ending position….the fight really made me question how subjectively you can judge mma. like Hellsing said, “sub attempts or strikes on the ground”…..anyone who’s grappled knows you can’t always tell how deep a submission really is by looking…so, do you credit that, do you credit dominant position, do you credit a takedown if the guy really doesn’t do anything with it? in a flat round, does a takedown “steal” a round for a fighter? these are all tough questions about mma judging that do change depending on the pace/flow of the fight.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
I had it 48-47 for Henderson, 1-3 for Henderson 4-5 for Cerrone. The first was pretty close, but even then I don’t think that that a 49-46 for Cerrone is in order.. this ain’t Japan folks!
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Cerrone won that fight hands down!! What is he suppose to say I thought I won the fight and look like a sore loser. What’s done is done and a statement like that would be bad for his image. I think Henderson looked the worst for wear his eye was swollen shut at the end of the fight. In most of the forums that I have been in about 60% think Cerrone won the fight. Those were sick submissions that would tap most fighters and Henderson was in trouble in that fight a lot more than Cerrone was. Could be FOTY. In round 2 for a fews seconds it looks like Henderson is almost out He got clipped by something a kick or a punch and that’s why Cerrone was shouting he’s out.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I had the fight scored 3 rounds to 2 for Henderson but before the decision was announced, I didn’t know which way the judges would go. If you credit a guy for having deep submissions and almost ending the fight, shouldn’t you credit the guy who is tough enough and knowledgeable enough about submission defense to escape it? If you say you can’t credit a guy for a takedown when he doesn’t do anything with it. Should you credit a guy for a submission that doesn’t tap out his opponent? Maybe the sub attempts weren’t as deep as they looked? Some fighters swell or cut easier than other fighters. Scoring a round or a fight based based on how somebody looks is ridiculous. If that was the case, guys like Sherk, Nogueira, and Bonnar would never win a decision.
Cerrone’s record may show a loss from this fight but his value as an MMA fighter to the WEC has gone through the roof. Both fighters earned even more respect than they already had. Wish they both could have won but I think Henderson controlled the fight 30 seconds longer than Cerrone did to earn the W.
If you credit a guy for having deep submissions and almost ending the fight, shouldn’t you credit the guy who is tough enough and knowledgeable enough about submission defense to escape it?
Yep, but offense here outweighs defense.
If you say you can’t credit a guy for a takedown when he doesn’t do anything with it. Should you credit a guy for a submission that doesn’t tap out his opponent?
Submissions that are locked in have a better percentage of ending the fight opposed to a take down…..again, trying to end the fight weighs more heavily IMO.
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